If Roland made a D50 vst emulation, would you purchase it?

[beely]

Good news on the JD-800 - looking at what the D50 plugin is, we can be pretty sure of exactly what the JD800 plugin will be, and that will likely be very nice sounding too...

[carla]

Sure I would buy the D-50 plugin, and also many friends around me. But the Cloud is a non-sense. Imagine that all editors use their own Cloud... Who will have the money for dozens of subscription ? And, in the case of Roland, my interest is only for the D-50. A Cloud including all editors (Roland, Wave, u-he, etc.) would be more enjoyable.

I think Roland makes a big mistake, because there is a lot people ready to buy the D-50 plug-in but not willing suscribe to the Cloud. The Roland Cloud is only a good solution for people who are Roland aficionados and not interested by others editors.

So what ? If I want the Roland D-50 plug-in only, I will have to pay 240 $ per year (and soon 360 $ !)... Or not using this plug-in ? Maybe someone has a solution ?

Hope that Roland thinks about that...

[c_voltage]

Sure I would buy the D-50 plugin, and also many friends around me. But the Cloud is a non-sense. Imagine that all editors use their own Cloud... Who will have the money for dozens of subscription ? And, in the case of Roland, my interest is only for the D-50. A Cloud including all editors (Roland, Wave, u-he, etc.) would be more enjoyable.

I think Roland makes a big mistake, because there is a lot people ready to buy the D-50 plug-in but not willing suscribe to the Cloud. The Roland Cloud is only a good solution for people who are Roland aficionados and not interested by others editors.

So what ? If I want the Roland D-50 plug-in only, I will have to pay 240 $ per year (and soon 360 $ !)... Or not using this plug-in ? Maybe someone has a solution ?

Hope that Roland thinks about that...

+1
Would buy if would be permanent license.

[layzer]

only if it was as good as the korg M1 vst with a bigger gui....and yeah, FK the cloud BS

[kbaccki]

So... Roland is pricing themselves out of a fertile market for the sake of a 8TB piano library that nobody asked for? Is that what we're concluding here?

[Kumi_27]

So what ? If I want the Roland D-50 plug-in only, I will have to pay 240 $ per year (and soon 360 $ !)... Or not using this plug-in ? Maybe someone has a solution ?

Hope that Roland thinks about that...

If they were thinking, they wouldn't do such nonsense like this subscription.
Especially in times, where You can buy great commercial synths on sale for 29$ or so, and very good new ones for 99$.
How many people will shell 30$ monthly for nostalgia mostly, because by now everyone already heard all the overused presets in various recordings from 80's?

I registered for the trial and downloaded the Cloud Manager.
You can't really "authorise and then disconnect" unless You won't change the instruments' and tracks layout.
Every new instance of the plugin has to be authorised online. No time buffer (like, say, 12h or 24h), no shared authorisation within DAW/computer (new instance could take from the previously loaded one, but no).
I don't plan to use the Cloud, I don't really need that Pizzagogo that much. And don't have $ to throw away. There are more interesting synths for much less price and no subscription BS.
Probably big part of the D-50 expressiveness was from the keybed's aftertouch (and the sound from effects). I have GEM S2 Turbo which is a great masterkeyboard and even has poly aftertouch. I can play with ME80 for hours... (and got it almost for free with Mixcraft).
And I have Juno-D LE, which probably already has all the Roland sounds inside

PS. A certain group of people already made a solution, but it can't be discussed here as it's not legal. It was inevitable, btw, it was only a matter of time... Obtrusive and inconvenient "copy protection" always makes people angry - and in most cases makes angry only the paying customers. It's the same with games and other things.

[Ingonator]

I don't plan to use the Cloud, I don't really need that Pizzagogo that much. And don't have $ to throw away. There are more interesting synths for much less price and no subscription BS.

A few comments concerning "overused presets":

- The D-50 plugin includes 6 preset banks with 384 patches (actually all presets from the V-Synth D-50 expansion + the 28 PCM waves from that expansion too that were not included in the original D-50)

- KVR member beely converted a huge collection of free D-50 banks with thousands of patches into the BIN format of the plugin and even offered a website where you could convert your own Sysex files:
http://www.difficultaudio.com/

- Last but not least the new D-50 plugin is not just a sample library (like e.g. the "Anthology 1987" found in Roland Cloud too) but a full featured synth with all parameters so you could create your own patches from scratch, including an option to use the additional 28 PCM samples from the V-Synth D-50 expansion


Concerning having to be online Roland already announced at Facebook that this might change with a future version of Cloud Manager and the plugins. Currently the subscription, the Cloud Manager and partly also the plugins still seem to be in Beta status.

[Kumi_27]

Ingo, that's all good and well, but D-50 synth engine is not really that good, especially by today's standards.
And many people wanted D-50 not "because engine" but "because Pizzagogo and Orinoco Flow". I know such musician myself
He still has his D-550 for some presets only - he didn't program single patch from scratch. Not a single one.

And if I could buy Roland's D-50 VST for a price of M1 Legacy, ie. 50$, then maybe I'll buy it. Not earlier. It's not worth more money for me.

[Ingonator]

Ingo, that's all good and well, but D-50 synth engine is not really that good, especially by today's standards.
And many people wanted D-50 not "because engine" but "because Pizzagogo and Orinoco Flow". I know such musician myself
He still has his D-550 for some presets only - he didn't program single patch from scratch. Not a single one.

And if I could buy Roland's D-50 VST for a price of M1 Legacy, ie. 50$, then maybe I'll buy it. Not earlier. It's not worth more money for me.

Sorry but what does "todays standards" actually mean? It'S not like the D-50 plugin has an identical interface as a hardware D-50 synth and all together it even has more controls than the PG-1000 programmer (which indeed already had a lot of controls...).
I got a bunch of "modern" synths too (as both hardware and software) but this does not mean using emulations of vintage synths does not make sense.

After having checked a lot of the D-50 patches and starting to create some of my own currently i do not seem to have a proper replacement with other softsynths yet at least if i want to replicate both the sound and the features of the D-50 patches properly.
Replicating certain patches would be more or less a PITA (especially if you are not allowed to legally use the raw D-50 PCM samples) and creating new D-50 patches from scratch using a different synth is another story...
Several features like e.g. the D-50 effects, the filter (even if it is "only" digital...), the PWM (could sound different with other synths) and also the ring modulation between partials and last but not least the multi stage envelopes (up to 5 times and 5 levels) are not really simple to replicate. You need a synth with up to 4 layers too (and and option to do ringmod between layers and/or Oscs...).

Speaking about a hardware replacement the V-Synth XT or a V-Synth with the VC-1 expansion would be necessary to replicate all patches of the D-50 plugin including those that use the 28 additional PCM samples (the original D-50 icnludes the first 100 of the 128 PCMs).

[Kumi_27]

I got a bunch of "modern" synths too (as both hardware and software) but this does not mean using emulations of vintage synths does not make sense.

After having checked a lot of the D-50 patches and starting to create some of my own currently i dod not seem to have a proper replacement with other synth at least if i want to replicate both the sound and the features of teh D-50 patches properly.

It makes sense, because some people want to have it emulated.
Question remains - what special is in D-50, that people want? Because I think most of them want the sound of the presets, not the synth per se. Some are satisfied with sampling, but some not and want the sound to be as alive as in the hardware, with joystick, aftertouch and things.

But what is so special in this synth engine to make it worth more than 50$? Well, make it 75$. Or even 99$ but not this Cloud BS.

I'm not that good at sound design, but as I see the ringmod is only within two osc's (partials) in a one part of a tone (upper/lower). It's not that complicated. I think that many modulars (or semi-) can do it, or even better

Of course, they won't sound exactly the same because reasons. One of them being Roland lawyers

[Caine123]

i didnt create sounds myself yet as i dont understand the programming much yet but i loaded some banks and wow, the D50 still sounds so unique for me and im just a sucker for this sound. i dunno what makes it so special and i guess you can recreate it with modern synths but i love the feeling of the sounds, the spaciness, the cheesyness, but you can also make a harsh EBM/Industrial saw sound! yeah it doesnt sound so bitey like sylenth1 but does it need it?

either you love it or hate it, for me there are enough moog emus, im so glad roland put the d50 out and awaiting jd800 and hopefully xv 5080, maybe also because those have been used of so many old pc music games and new age people that i just love the sound, the imperfectness and the roland character. only the subscription is standing in its way so far!

[HunterKiller]

- KVR member beely converted a huge collection of free D-50 banks with thousands of patches into the BIN format of the plugin

Where is this conversion job?

[Ingonator]

Currently i am experimenting with the ring modulation. For that as a starting point i used my previous path where i laready substituted one VA synth partial with a PCM and added a second PCM partial to that Tone (Lower Tone/Layer) while the Upper Tone/Layer remains a Synth Brass sound with two detuned Saws.

Depending on which sounds/PCMs you combine with the Ringmod and also depending on the tuning, partials output balance etc. you could get quite interesting results with this.

One of the additional PCMs not included with the original D-50 is called "Sync" which could emulate Osc Sync and combining this with the ring modulation could be interesting too (or use the Sync PCM and ring modulation in two different layers).

Next step would also be to substitue the Brass like layer with something else, maybe ending up with 4 PCM based partials or using an analog like pad as a layer (including PWM).

Also changin the patch output mode to e.g. mode 2 is interesting as there each Tone/Layer is hard panned to a stereo channel (in mode 1 both create a mono output while the Reverb/Delay and Chorus could add stero width).

Last but not least you could use a ring mod mode in both Tones/Layers and create a layer of two different ring modulations.

[beely]

- KVR member beely converted a huge collection of free D-50 banks with thousands of patches into the BIN format of the plugin

Where is this conversion job?

Earlier in the thread...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3#p6819783

[Ingonator]

- KVR member beely converted a huge collection of free D-50 banks with thousands of patches into the BIN format of the plugin

Where is this conversion job?

A) Converted banks (converted by beely):

Ok, here's an updated archive of the CultofD50.org banks, with fixed conversions.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owdr8l3ulp0s3 ... n.zip?dl=1

These work fine, tuning is fine, and no longer kills the keyboard (caused by non-terminated name strings in the plugin's patch name field). Converting the preset banks results in verified bit identical BIN files comparing the presets banks exported by the plugin, so the files should now be fine.

B) website for converting your own Sysex files (again done by beely):
http://www.difficultaudio.com/


You need teh LOAD button in the plugin bank/patch browser to import the banks. Using that feature it also seems to select and import multiple bank files (*.BIN format) at once.