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AGreen
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228 posts since 2 Feb, 2015

Post Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:42 am

I'm having problems with the free DDMF IIEQ plugin 64 bit. If I add more than 2 instances waveform crashes after making a loud buzzing noise for about 15 seconds. I'm using version 8.1.14, 64 bit on windows 10 laptop.

solomute
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181 posts since 29 Mar, 2017

Post Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:24 am

I have a strange behavior. I move a clip and notes' lengths and intervals are changed. I can no longer just drag the clip to opverlap the neighbouring clip. Any help? This hell seems to happen if you manipulate a clip looped previously or a part of such a looped clip.
Can anyone help with that problem???
Last edited by solomute on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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fde101
KVRist
419 posts since 16 Mar, 2017

Post Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:34 am

The bx_refinement plugin from Plugin Alliance: if I add the plugin to an edit while I am working on it there is no issue at first, but if I then try to open that edit after closing Waveform (whether because it was left open and it just opens with the program, or by double-clicking on it in the list of edits for the project) Waveform crashes.

Happening with both the AU and VST versions of the plugin (have not tried VST3).

Waveform 8.1.2 64-bit on the Mac.
Version 1.3.1 of the plugin.

fwsuperhero
KVRist
394 posts since 26 Jul, 2012 from Prague, czech republic

Post Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:00 am

Renoise Redux has just two stereo outputs
this problem wasnt present with previous version of Tracktion
thank you...

fedexnman
KVRAF
2941 posts since 4 Jan, 2005

Post Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:09 am

fwsuperhero wrote:Renoise Redux has just two stereo outputs
this problem wasnt present with previous version of Tracktion
thank you...
Yep , and the new Beta doesn't fix issue still.

dRowAudio
KVRAF
Topic Starter
1771 posts since 30 Dec, 2012

Post Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:35 am

I'm currently working on addressing this but the only viable solution is to add an option to enable you to change the channel layouts of plugins. The reason we have to do this is there is now no way to get the exact same default behaviour as in T7 due to changes in the framework that Waveform is developed on.

(N.B. default here is used to refer to the channel layout that the plugin opens with if we don't try and change it. This is the behaviour that has changed in the framework we use).

There's two main problems we need to cover:
1) We can't open the default number of channels for one main reason
• Some plugins that used to open in stereo now open in mono by default
-> To address this we are checking the default bus of plugins and if they have been opened as mono, we attempt to open them as stereo as this is closest to the old behaviour and avoids confusing problems having mono plugins on stereo tracks
2) However, we can't open the maximum number of channels for several reasons:
• Some plugins report that they can open a large number of channels (e.g. 5.1) but actually fall silent when we do this. These plugins only seem able to support their default layouts
• If we open the maximum number of channels, some plugins used to open in stereo but will now open with a large number of channels
• If we open the maximum number of channels, some plugins use a huge amount of resources even though those additional channels may never be used (e.g. if they're in a stereo track rather than a rack)
-> For these reason, for any plugins that aren't mono, we leave the default channel configuration


So the new default will be to let the plugin open with whatever it does by default (except if it is a mono VST2, then we attempt to open it in stereo) and you'll have new options to change the channel layouts of the buses. This is the most flexible solution and should cover all use cases.

fedexnman
KVRAF
2941 posts since 4 Jan, 2005

Post Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:56 am

Hopefully you guys figure out a fix or some kind of work around implementation for the multi output plugins and racks issues . :ud:

zzz00m
KVRAF
3293 posts since 17 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:54 am

iZotope Iris 2 v2.02.415 crashes Waveform 8.1.14 x64 when trying to insert a VST3 instance. The VST2 works OK.
Windows 10 and too many plugins

solomute
Banned
181 posts since 29 Mar, 2017

Post Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:21 am

steroidbouncer - waveform crashes if i open its gui during playback
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solomute
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181 posts since 29 Mar, 2017

Post Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:32 am

poly 2106 synth. Sound disappers on starting second playback.
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solomute
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181 posts since 29 Mar, 2017

Post Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:08 am

Alas, the same crap converns prodigious synthesizer. Decay button is by itself depressed when playback is started. Dasample electroacoustic guitar also loses sound when playback is started. It means that waveform does not work normally with 32bit plugins via jbridge. I went back to tracktion and I have the same problem. 32-bit vsts do not work during playback which means something is wrong with that jbridge or with something I don't know ... Maybe the problem is caused by faulty hardware. Damn
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KVRAF
2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003

Post Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:57 am

solomute wrote:Alas, the same crap converns prodigious synthesizer. Decay button is by itself depressed when playback is started. Dasample electroacoustic guitar also loses sound when playback is started. It means that waveform does not work normally with 32bit plugins via jbridge. I went back to tracktion and I have the same problem. 32-bit vsts do not work during playback which means something is wrong with that jbridge or with something I don't know ... Maybe the problem is caused by faulty hardware. Damn
Try the 32 bit plugins in the 32 bit version of Waveform, to figure out if it's a jbridge issue or not. If it is, contact the guy who develops jbridge.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"

solomute
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181 posts since 29 Mar, 2017

Post Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:11 am

I have figured out it's not jbridge who is to blame. It also happens to 64bit plugins or to be precise to several tracks of waveform that is if press keys of midikeyboard i get sound but when i start playback notes from midi clips on the same tracks are not played or sound is choked ie distorted and of low volume. Then my pc reboots in several minutes. I thought it could be caused by high cpu load of about 50% but i have run benchmark tests loading cpu to 100% and had no reboots. So it's not connected with plugins since for example i have a 64bit sampler which outputs audio to several tracks and some tracks have normal sound but other tracks receiving audio from the same sampler have that problem. May be it's connected to hardware or waveform project configuration file is somehow damaged. My OS has no viruses.

Update. I have checked target destionations and found that there was improper configuration of the tracks which receive audio from the 64-bit sampler. This has been remedied. So the problem concerns only 32bit plugins (ironically the best ones like those synths from synthescience). Also i have fixed reboots by decreasing cpu multiplier by 2 stops.
Try the 32 bit plugins in the 32 bit version of Waveform, to figure out if it's a jbridge issue or not. If it is, contact the guy who develops jbridge.
I have tried xlutop vst plugin rack vst. It loads 32bit vst dlls directly without jbridge though xlutop itself uses jbridge. The problem persists the same way. But the version of jbrdige is the same and some time ago the same 32bit vsts worked well. Which means it's either waveforms' failure or something within my OS or their interaction. Does waveform use any microsoft libs like visualc2005, 2008? May be i need to reinstall some systemwide libs...
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KVRian
1269 posts since 11 Apr, 2002 from Nashville, TN

Post Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Waves IR1 crashes on load. It didn't until I updated "Waves Central" in order to install Scheps 1073. Other Waves plugins may also be affected, but not all.

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digitalboytn
KVRAF
2420 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Post Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:53 pm

Waveform 8.1.16 doesn't like the Tonebooster's VST's and crashes every time...

That's a shame because they are great plugins :(
No auto tune...

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