One Synth Challenge #100: Lord of the Springs (Taron Wins!)

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My GUI is RESIZABLE?! That's awesome, I had no idea! :lol: ...sorry, but I keep giggling about that part as I read you otherwise really nice feedback and suggestions!
In fact, I wished I could add "resizable" to the "selling point"! I'll work on that! 8)
Anyhow, the 88 voices is a huge point, because it does free the actual performer/composer from having to worry about voice limits. The trouble here is that I really cater to the musician, who actually wants to play an instrument and LotS really is meant to be an instrument, not a synth. I most likely have not made that point loud and clear enough. The physical modeling refers to the spring systems that allow for the kind of performance it offers. While it truly is physical modeling, it does not really reflect the kind of properties people are familiar with, when they hear that term. I could see that as an issue against expectations, too.

However, I happily take your great lecture on board and ponder over those points for sure! I do believe it has a lot to do with presentation as well, making clear what people should expect from it.
As for GUI representation, again, it's a presentation shortcoming of mine, because the huge tuning bars really are not only a pretty representation, but a very powerful performance tool in themselves. Again, far outside of the norm, I understand.
But animating elements I tried to keep to a minimum, simple because I'm not confident enough, yet, (aka scared) to hook up moving parts like that, needless to say how best to place them economically. All stuff I intent to learn for sure!

The biggest of troubles is that I am not just a programmer, but also the musician, tailoring the tool to how I perform. This is really problematic, because I may not represent the norm in any way!? Yet, I end up believing it is quite powerful the way it is. That means: :help:
Sigh... there's a lot I still have to figure out. Communicating new ideas is likely always a challenge, and I think LotS has a number of new ideas that require better communication.

Again, THANKS, Peter, it's fantastic and very kind that you wrote all that so thoughtfully and I'll do my best to honor it in time as I keep refining everything, even beyond LotS, of course. :tu: :hug:

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Taron wrote:My GUI is RESIZABLE?! That's awesome, I had no idea! :lol: ...sorry, but I keep giggling about that part as I read you otherwise really nice feedback and suggestions!
In fact, I wished I could add "resizable" to the "selling point"! I'll work on that! 8)
He he he, I mixed it up - as this was the selling point of Melda...He pointed out every now and then that he does use fully programmatically renederd GUI on the GC to make it resizeable...I had the idea of writing him this kind of feedback some many months ago, because I felt his plug-ins are so completely underrated because the are packed with tremendous features ...which are uttmost painful to find and use...he he he...never mind. And please feel free to ask for feedback if you want to have a sparing partner to discuss ideas...But I think I know you enough that when you concentrat on the right things you can come up with clever solutions yourself. But why not abuse your friends at OSC to discuss improvments and profit from their broad set of skills...
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EDIT - Really I think the #1 thing that could be done is to have a large soundset ship with the synth, on the order of 125 presets minimum.

I am guessing a lot of people are downloading it, but then don't end up using it because of the lack of presets.
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[A dull interruption to this interesting discussion of LotS to announce:]

I voted. :D

Love the synth. Love the music you all made with it. Thanks for sharing it Taron. I hope it brings you many rewards, including financial if that is your wish.

Really enjoying the conversation about the synth and how to market it etc. I might even contribute some thoughts if I can think of something useful to say in due course :wink:

[end of interruption]

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Taron wrote:Sorry you felt that way. LotS is not for everybody, that's apparently so. The fact that one CAN make a pad with it is something I added to it along with noise so that there's more for the OSC to work with. I must say, I have plenty of fun with it, but I know where I can take it and how. It's by nearly no means traditional, because it rides on very basic physical modeling, but it takes sense, understanding and desire to discover what magic it offers. If you just care about everyday DSP processes, a nice set of oscillators and filters, you're certainly at the wrong address.
So, yeah, I'm sorry it was terrible for you. :shrug: :( ...but thanks for trying it anyway! :tu:

Sorry terrible was probably not the correct wording. It seemed good for bass sounds and such. Just not that flexible, and hard to use, was a case of hit a few knobs and hope for the best. Maybe I should have read the manual if one exists!

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Taron wrote:Both frequency and resonance will be perfectly smooth now during automation! 8)
noice. 8)
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Yep, yep, it's coming!
However, I've just realized a big online problem with sites like vst4free, which I usually like quite a lot, but they don't post links to the website, nor keep up with the latest version, of course. Thus, some people don't ever get to the real release, which is quite concerning.

Thus, I will see that I put into LotS either an update option or simply a link to the official website. I'll have to work that out somehow.

Thanks, edward, by the way. Of course, you are perfectly right when it comes to flexibility, because LotS really wasn't conceived as a flexible synth. However, I also find it pretty awesome for organs, drums and some very unique lead instruments, though it's really narrow in that last arena, but still fascinating and unique.
I really vow to putting together a proper manual, hoping people will actually look into it, hehe...but yeah, it's coming, too! :)

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UH, you reconsidered?! That's nice... goody, goody. But rest assured, I won't add any sneaky network automation in there. I'll simply add the ability to visit the website and/or check for updates, if so desired!

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Taron wrote:UH, you reconsidered?! That's nice... goody, goody. But rest assured, I won't add any sneaky network automation in there. I'll simply add the ability to visit the website and/or check for updates, if so desired!
Cool! I deleted because it's your synth and I don't want to be lecturing all time...and I trust you, that you can make the right decisions.

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Dang, Peter, you just like added at least 10 extra points to your name in my book of friends! ;) :hug:

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Voted.

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edwardsm wrote:Out of all the entries about 13-15 to me seemed good the rest pretty terrible. Why Vodka resonance? As I had choice go to pub get trashed or stay in master track. I went to pub doh and submitted with a major hangover....
Terrible is good :D . At least we try to do it the best we can. Better than then doing nothing. Well some track names are really weird even for me. But it is not just matter of this round. There are some quite funny names in previous tracks :lol: .

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mehum wrote:
] Peter:H [ wrote: Don't want to sound too harsh, it's just my personal gut feeling about things
1.) feedback culture in OSC: I see alot of "greats!" and "tremendous!" comments around here. Sometimes I can share the authors opinion, sometimes I have a hard time to believe everything is so brilliant here, especially if I listen to pro sound these days...I know all this "positive feedback" stuff, took part in too many brain wash training on that topic, but I have decided for myself to do reliable honest feedback and if I listen to something I would describe as crap I rather don't give to positive feedback out of courtesy but rather say what in my eyes is wrong. Sorry, I did this on some tracks on soundcloud...
* I would bet all of us are amateurs with limited time and means to give to music production. Judging quality in relation to music recorded in professional studios or by seasoned pros is not really fair. Most of us work at least moderately hard on our compositions and I really think everyone does something that is creative and good whether it caters to my taste or not.

* Different people have different philosophies when it comes to judging. Some, like you (and me, I guess), want to give what you judge as valuable criticism. Others go after the principle "if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all" or just don't have much input or want to impose their vision on other people's work. We all also listen for wildly different things, and judge from that perspective. I can agree the extremely positive attitude can seem as useless for feedback but it can be good for creating a welcoming environment. On the flip side I can sometimes find even the most well meaning and constructive criticism to be utterly useless since it can lead to composing-by-proxy... I certainly am guilty of this at times...

Bottom line: both positivism and criticism have value and everybody makes something worth commending, in my opinion.
Why not just chill and have a drink? Enjoy yourself? I was thinking the competition was just here to get hobby guys to make some cool shit and talk shop. Not like anyone's gonna make an ep and sell the tracks right? Was all just for fun. Don't have to be all serious about the crits. I mean you can drop crits to help out sure, but don't bring the hammer down...

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Armagibbon wrote: Why not just chill and have a drink? Enjoy yourself? I was thinking the competition was just here to get hobby guys to make some cool shit and talk shop. Not like anyone's gonna make an ep and sell the tracks right? Was all just for fun. Don't have to be all serious about the crits. I mean you can drop crits to help out sure, but don't bring the hammer down...
Am I too harsh? Perhaps. If that is the case, please tell me to stfu :ud: I give feedback the way I like to get it but of course all these things are really really subjective.

I think everyone should be proud of their entries no matter what. I also think everyone has a chance to grow in their musicianship and the conversation around each piece of music can be valuable to that end. Maybe it mostly come across as unsolicited advice...

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