T2 near? Sonar 4, (SX3 movie with Tracktions piano roll)!

[christianmusicmaker]

Update...SX3 specs

The in place edit feature in SX3 is exactly the same as Tracktions piano roll!

SX3 in place edit movie

Sonar 4

The definitive audio production environment for Windows
SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with precise engineering tools.

SONAR 4 Producer edition is the perfect solution for composing, recording, editing, mixing, and remixing music productions; and for providing foley, voice over, score, sound design and post audio for film, TV, video, commercials, and games.

With its open support for industry standard technologies and hardware, the scalability of a native processing system, and virtually unlimited software capabilities, SONAR 4 Producer represents the definitive audio & music production software for Windows.

SONAR 4 Producer Exclusives

Multi-format surround mixing with over 30 configurations supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS and more)
Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb
Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb
Sonitus Surround Compressor
Sonitus fx Suite
SurroundBridge™ - use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments
Video Thumbnail track
POW-r Dithering with three algorithms
Prosoniq MPEX time scaling
Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ, assignable FX controls

SONAR 4 New Features

Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite Clip

Loop record into layers or individual tracks

Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, isolate, nudge

Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing

Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop

Freeze tracks, effects, and synths; edit, arrange, and convert frozen data into groove clips

Scalable Navigator view to quickly navigate and size viewable area of projects

Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported)

Professional Metering (peak, RMS, peak and RMS, pre-fader, post-fader, and pre-fader post effects) with configurable ballistics

Key Binding enhancements: presets; templates to mimic keyboard assignments of other DAW programs

TTS-1 multitimbral, multi-out GM2 synthesizer with authentic Roland® sounds

Full control over file export parameters, now with useful and configurable presets

Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, and WMA9 lossless encoding and decoding

Open support for external encoders: surround (Producer Edition only), LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc.

Supports QuickTime, Windows Media Video, and AVI with 5.1 Surround Sound (Producer Edition only)

Bus-able Audio Metronome

Full-control over color settings

Optimized audio engine performance

Export buses and tracks into a composite mixdown, or as individual files

SONAR 4 Key Features

Record, edit, arrange and mix unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI

Dynamic Console

Universal Bus Architecture with on-the-fly configuration

32-Bit floating point audio engine

80-Bit automation

Full plug-in delay compensation

Ultra-high quality sample rate conversion with Windowed Sync resampler algorithm

Support for any sampling rate (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192, 384 kHz)

Precise waveform display at any zoom resolution

Rock-solid synchronization of audio, MIDI, video, external hardware

Sub-sample accurate internal timing resolution for audio, soft synths and automation; 960 PPQN for external MIDI devices

HyperThreading/multiprocessor optimization

Loop-based composition, construction, and editing tools with ACID™ loop and MIDI groove clip support, Cyclone DXi

Support for DirectX and VST audio effects; MFX MIDI FX; DXi and VSTi soft synths; and ReWire 1.0 & 2.0 clients (Project5, Kinetic, Reason, more)

Includes 31 audio effects 4 DXi soft synths, 14 MFX

Advanced MIDI routing & synth layering

Unlimited undo/redo with edit history

Assign hotkeys for custom screen layouts

Views: Arrange, Big Time, Console, Drum Editor, Event List, Loop Construction, Lyrics, Markers, Multitrack Piano Roll, Staff Notation, Playlist, SYSEX, Synth Rack, Tempo list/graph, Video, more

Professional Project File Management Tools: per project audio directories; consolidate project files for fast backup; search for associated files

Extensive, context-sensitive online help and 650+ page printed manual (Thank you Cakewalk)

Unparalleled, free customer service and online user community

Hassle-free copy protection (serial number on installation)

Designed exclusively for and optimized for Windows XP/2000

Hardware and compatibility

OMFI & Broadcast Wave import/export for cross platform collaboration with Digital Performer, Logic, Nuendo, and Pro Tools studios
Import formats: AIF, ASF, AU, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio), Broadcast Wave, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MPEG, MPG, OMFI, Quicktime, SND, WAV, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, Windows Media Video, proprietary Cakewalk formats (.bun, .cwb, .cwp, .wrk)

Export: WAV, ACID-format WAV, Broadcast Wave, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio),, OMFI, MIDI, MP3*, Quicktime,, Real Audio G2, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, and proprietary Cakewalk formats (.cwb, .cwp); Other audio formats supported via external command-line encoders

Open support for external encoders: surround, LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc.
Export video with control over quality settings and codecs

Support for any MIDI compatible hardware control surface (Edirol, Mackie, Tascam, more)

Frame-accurate SMPTE sync with auto-detection of timecode

Multi-port MTC and MIDI sync transmission

Yamaha OPT Level 1 MIDI Hardware Link support

Support for all Windows-compatible audio hardware (including Pro Tools | HD) via ASIO or WDM


So is T2 ready and waiting? I am guessing of course but I think it is. Mackie are probably waiting for the big boys to finish up and then within 2 months we'll see T2.

Or Mackie could try and release T2 while Sonar 4 is still hot news and possibly provide a really credible option to Sonar 4. Either way if T2 comes out after S4 maybe some of the Sonar 4 features will make their way into Tracktion 2.

Also I wonder if it's possible to beta test T2? A public beta similar Live 4 would be interesting.

[miasch]

looks like sx 3 is on the way also, been seeing previews and whatnot around... c'mon T2!

[optilude]

If it's ready, then I think Jules is some kind of super-human coder. Or the feature list is a bit less impressive than we'd hoped. Or the changes required to support our wishes were less extensive that I'd imagined.

Give the man some time, guys. My guess is sometime close to Christmas, but that's just a gut feeling. If Mackie were to do some sort of marketing coup, they'd have to bring it out before S4 and SX3, not after it, otherwise people will have already spent their sequencer money.

Martin

[Lunch Money]

If I'm not mistaken, Mackie can apply pressure (and they'd only bother if they thought it'd increase sales of Spike) but not actually be a deciding factor in the release date of T2. It's a RawMaterialSoftware app last time I checked.

I vote for Jules taking his time to do it right. If you get caught up in the marketing games, you'll ALWAYS be releasing crap that's not ready for release just for the sake of beating people to the punch. No, I'd rather see a better app. The majority of Sonar purchases will be upgrades, and ditto for SX3. That's a consumer base that's already in existence and wouldn't jump ship until AFTER the release of the latest versions of "their" programs, when they'd be able to hear if it's worth the price of upgrade.

For new users, I also don't think that release dates will have a big enough impact on potential sales to worry about it. People brand-new to sequencing will still look to Tracktion as being more suited to their budget (most brand-newbies are quite surprised to find out that big sequencers cost multi-hundreds). More experienced users... well, see above paragraph.

Depending on how much say Mackie has in the whole thing, we won't hear about T2 until it's ready for download, so I wouldn't count on a beta test or teaser preview.

To recap--

- it's not up to Mackie
- I'd rather see a quality product
- 'marketing' games are a sham and should be avoided
- Can someone get me a beer? I'm thirsty!

Greg

[AD80]

I rather the big boys play their cards first. Jules has a huge to do list so it'll take some time to get everything solid. It'll be fun to see what SX3 and S4 have up their sleves . I cant wait.

[christianmusicmaker]

No question about it I certainly want Jules to take his time. I think T2 will be very innovative. Tracktion V.1 was a very clever piece of work indeed.I am sure T2 will add even better features like those mentioned here by lowkeyfrom our good friend AD80's now famous Host rumour thread

I think Lowkey's view point here is really spot on and is right in line with Jules thinking for T2.


"The thing that makes Trackton great and will ensure Trackton 2 is as usable as Trackton 10++ Ultra?

Filters.

Other programs have to add a menus there and a check box here to add new features. A few updates down the line and you have the situation the Big 3 are in. You need a map to use them.

Now Im not saying for a moment Jules would or should implement everything the older sequencers have but if he did and he used filters to do it the work flow would not change.

Heres some "what if" examples...

You have your a loop and you want to slice it up? Drag down the "Transient to midi" filter and place it on your audio. Adjust the settings in the filter dialoge then hit "Chop". Hey presto! You have audio slices loaded into a sampler filter with the midi part to go with it.

Want to store a midi dump of your hardware synth? Drag the midi in to the track you want then drag a "SYSEX" filter to that track. Click "Receive" in the filter dialogue then send your dump. Done and dusted.

Because of the way Trackton is designed even the wildest "use once in a life time" feature wont affect your work flow because "you select them when you need them" not "you try to find where the programmers have hidden the menu".

[rpc9943]

as I have always said, ENOUGH SPECULATION! It is only hyping people up, and making people anxious. Just wait and be surprised! The sooner it comes out, the more bugs, then the more complaining. Just stop this!

RonC

[nuffink]

...Just stop this!

RonC

Do you mind if we don't?

[christianmusicmaker]

Update...

Lexicon-Surround-Reverb

POW-r-Dithering

MPEX-Time-Stretching

Sonar 4 key features

[AD80]

Update...

Lexicon-Surround-Reverb

POW-r-Dithering

MPEX-Time-Stretching

Sonar 4 key features

MPEX Time Stretching??? Cubase SX had that algorithm years ago. Man if T2 doesnt have a good time stretch I'll be shocked.

[AD80]

as I have always said, ENOUGH SPECULATION! It is only hyping people up, and making people anxious. Just wait and be surprised! The sooner it comes out, the more bugs, then the more complaining. Just stop this!

RonC

Speculation is fun .

I'm not anxious at all. Theres only 3 or 4 things I need in T2 for me to be in sequencing Nirvana. So I'm looking forward to it. S4 should be awsome too. I wanna see how much they have improved.

[christianmusicmaker]

Update...

Edirol

The definitive audio production environment for Windows
SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with precise engineering tools.

SONAR 4 Producer edition is the perfect solution for composing, recording, editing, mixing, and remixing music productions; and for providing foley, voice over, score, sound design and post audio for film, TV, video, commercials, and games.

With its open support for industry standard technologies and hardware, the scalability of a native processing system, and virtually unlimited software capabilities, SONAR 4 Producer represents the definitive audio & music production software for Windows.

SONAR 4 Producer Exclusives

Multi-format surround mixing with over 30 configurations supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS and more)
Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb
Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb
Sonitus Surround Compressor
Sonitus fx Suite
SurroundBridge™ - use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments
Video Thumbnail track
POW-r Dithering with three algorithms
Prosoniq MPEX time scaling
Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ, assignable FX controls

SONAR 4 New Features

Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite Clip

Loop record into layers or individual tracks

Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, isolate, nudge

Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing

Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop

Freeze tracks, effects, and synths; edit, arrange, and convert frozen data into groove clips

Scalable Navigator view to quickly navigate and size viewable area of projects

Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported)

Professional Metering (peak, RMS, peak and RMS, pre-fader, post-fader, and pre-fader post effects) with configurable ballistics

Key Binding enhancements: presets; templates to mimic keyboard assignments of other DAW programs

TTS-1 multitimbral, multi-out GM2 synthesizer with authentic Roland® sounds

Full control over file export parameters, now with useful and configurable presets

Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, and WMA9 lossless encoding and decoding

Open support for external encoders: surround (Producer Edition only), LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc.

Supports QuickTime, Windows Media Video, and AVI with 5.1 Surround Sound (Producer Edition only)

Bus-able Audio Metronome

Full-control over color settings

Optimized audio engine performance

Export buses and tracks into a composite mixdown, or as individual files

SONAR 4 Key Features

Record, edit, arrange and mix unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI

Dynamic Console

Universal Bus Architecture with on-the-fly configuration

32-Bit floating point audio engine

80-Bit automation

Full plug-in delay compensation

Ultra-high quality sample rate conversion with Windowed Sync resampler algorithm

Support for any sampling rate (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192, 384 kHz)

Precise waveform display at any zoom resolution

Rock-solid synchronization of audio, MIDI, video, external hardware

Sub-sample accurate internal timing resolution for audio, soft synths and automation; 960 PPQN for external MIDI devices

HyperThreading/multiprocessor optimization

Loop-based composition, construction, and editing tools with ACID™ loop and MIDI groove clip support, Cyclone DXi

Support for DirectX and VST audio effects; MFX MIDI FX; DXi and VSTi soft synths; and ReWire 1.0 & 2.0 clients (Project5, Kinetic, Reason, more)

Includes 31 audio effects 4 DXi soft synths, 14 MFX

Advanced MIDI routing & synth layering

Unlimited undo/redo with edit history

Assign hotkeys for custom screen layouts

Views: Arrange, Big Time, Console, Drum Editor, Event List, Loop Construction, Lyrics, Markers, Multitrack Piano Roll, Staff Notation, Playlist, SYSEX, Synth Rack, Tempo list/graph, Video, more

Professional Project File Management Tools: per project audio directories; consolidate project files for fast backup; search for associated files

Extensive, context-sensitive online help and 650+ page printed manual (Thank you Cakewalk)

Unparalleled, free customer service and online user community

Hassle-free copy protection (serial number on installation)

Designed exclusively for and optimized for Windows XP/2000

Hardware and compatibility

OMFI & Broadcast Wave import/export for cross platform collaboration with Digital Performer, Logic, Nuendo, and Pro Tools studios
Import formats: AIF, ASF, AU, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio), Broadcast Wave, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MPEG, MPG, OMFI, Quicktime, SND, WAV, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, Windows Media Video, proprietary Cakewalk formats (.bun, .cwb, .cwp, .wrk)

Export: WAV, ACID-format WAV, Broadcast Wave, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio),, OMFI, MIDI, MP3*, Quicktime,, Real Audio G2, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, and proprietary Cakewalk formats (.cwb, .cwp); Other audio formats supported via external command-line encoders

Open support for external encoders: surround, LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc.
Export video with control over quality settings and codecs

Support for any MIDI compatible hardware control surface (Edirol, Mackie, Tascam, more)

Frame-accurate SMPTE sync with auto-detection of timecode

Multi-port MTC and MIDI sync transmission

Yamaha OPT Level 1 MIDI Hardware Link support

Support for all Windows-compatible audio hardware (including Pro Tools | HD) via ASIO or WDM

[whyterabbyt]

Ive seen these same details so often now it seems like old,old news....

[torhan]

deja vu

[AD80]

S4 has a metronome now . I'm impressed already.