KVR Audio

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:57 pm

Sometimes, Internet forum, kvr, are magic, we start to debate about a spytrance sound, a lead with a high Hp filter, no volume env, hyper agressive fm like a visit to the dentist-and some time, it's soften-:)- and we finish, one page later, discuting about thin, fat, punch... and return to mono analog classik , a good moment ! Keep it up !

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:58 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:So, Ingo, you used 15 waves + filter drive + distortion + EQ in order to prove it doesn't sound thin or weak? Actually, for that it doesn't really sound as impressive or mighty as one might expect imho. Maybe there is also too much stereo for a bass.

I think it is more revealing to use just 2 or 3 waves to check whether a synth sounds weak or thin. After all, that is what most analog synths used and they sounded great at it.

From what ive seen here, ppl are saying that a (pick any) synths osc on their own sound thin, so yeah, his example is quite pointless.

You could make Steinberg Neon sound 'fat' with all that processing

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:59 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:So, Ingo, you used 15 waves + filter drive + distortion + EQ in order to prove it doesn't sound thin or weak? Actually, for that it doesn't really sound as impressive or mighty as one might expect imho. Maybe there is also too much stereo for a bass.

I think it is more revealing to use just 2 or 3 waves to check whether a synth sounds weak or thin. After all, that is what most analog synths used and they sounded great at it.

DUNE 2.5 is not an anlog synth emulation and i used the features that are available there. Why should i not do that? Limiting to what is available in other synths like e.g. vintage analogs would be quite pointless IMO.

For such tasks i got The Legend and comparing this to DUNE 2.5 and vice versa is quite pointless.

BTW with using the FX version of The Legend and the DUNE 2.5 synth you have a way to combine both synths. When routing a MIDI track to the FX version of The Legend you could even use the built-in envelopes and Oscillators there.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:03 pm

Gee, that Largo audio demo sounds annoying, I bet it is part of the CIA's torture toolset

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:05 pm

After the start it gets a bit weird, admittedly. But the bass sound at the start there is really delicious IMO.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:07 pm

Ingonator wrote:DUNE 2.5 is not an anlog synth emulation and i used the features that are available there. Why should i not do that? Limiting to what is available in other synths like e.g. vintage analogs would be quite pointless IMO.

For such tasks i got The Legend and comparing this to DUNE 2.5 and vice versa is quite pointless.

BTW with using the FX version of The Legend and the DUNE 2.5 synth you have a way to combine both synths. When routing a MIDI track to the FX version of The Legend you could even use the built-in envelopes and Oscillators there.

Somehow I do consider it an analog-style synth, albeit not an emulation of any specific hardware.

In that genre basses seem very shallow, there is no real bottom, but instead lots of high frequencies. It might as well be a lead.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:08 pm

I just wish U-he put JAWS as FX unit out. Makes everything brutal, phat and distorted.
But just for interest, how do you measure fatness of a sound. Per inch?

Or should it just use all the frequencies possible....then i vote for Kaleidoscope.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:09 pm

Ingonator wrote:
DUNE 2.5 is not an anlog synth emulation

Apart from the analogue osc wt's, analogue modelled filters, analogue modelled envelopes and analogue modelled fx, no...

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:10 pm

chk071 wrote:After the start it gets a bit weird, admittedly. But the bass sound at the start there is really delicious IMO.

I cant get that to play here. SC just keeps jumping to next track...next track...next track without actually playing anything

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Does this one work?

https://soundcloud.com/waldorf-music/tanzindenmai

I also uploaded this once, which shows the snappiness of Monark:

https://soundcloud.com/chk-sound/monark-snap

Nevermind the lack of musicality, it was merely to show the filter behavior on high resonance levels, and fast decay times. Should rather be compared to Legend though, maybe.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:15 pm

chk071 wrote:Does this one work?

https://soundcloud.com/waldorf-music/tanzindenmai

But what should that show us. Phat, snappy, punchy? Curious. I would say squelchy

Also it is not of much use in a context of a whole track (for me).
Could you show us a single patch for your adjectives and we (or just i) could see what you mean.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:17 pm

Cinebient wrote:
chk071 wrote:Does this one work?

https://soundcloud.com/waldorf-music/tanzindenmai
But what should that show us. Phat, snappy, punchy? Curious. I would say squelchy

Yeah. Also creamy and punchy, i would say. Ah, how lovely those non-telling buzzwords are.

But, frankly, how to explain sound? IDK.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:19 pm

That Monark example.....nice but nothing which a lot other synths (like Dune 2) could do also. It might have a different flavor but it will snap as well

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:23 pm

Whenever i tried something like that in Dune 2, i rather got a blunt "thump" kind of sound, than it really becoming snappy. Guess there's something with the envelope stages, or the filter resonance, that just doesn't match. It's more similar to Monark in Legend, but it still has a bit of that.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:57 pm

chk071 wrote:Whenever i tried something like that in Dune 2, i rather got a blunt "thump" kind of sound, than it really becoming snappy. Guess there's something with the envelope stages, or the filter resonance, that just doesn't match. It's more similar to Monark in Legend, but it still has a bit of that.

Dagger and P900 are eating them all (FOR ME) in this field.
But Dune 2 can get close (use the MSEG at audio rate).
I think Dagger is the king.

DUNE 2 is out now!!