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The Formula Parser in Serum looks nice but isn't it the same thing as scripted presets engine in all u-he plugins? Well, except in Serum it has a basic one-line editor in the GUI and the scripted preset in uglified by default :)

BTW, what's the future of the scripted presets engine in u-he plugins? I really like this feature but it feels like it was abandoned for a while now. Personally, the only thing I need is it being compatible among different platforms, so scripts made on Windows wouldn't crash on Mac. Other than that it's very usable as it is right now. It just can't be used in commercial libraries like that :?

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drzhnn wrote:BTW, what's the future of the scripted presets engine in u-he plugins?
I don't know yet. It needs a serious make over (rewrite?), but I'm not sure if I can spare a developer to do that.

It does need some fixing though as the next version of Repro crashes when loading some of the sequencer scripts. It wasn't updated for changing parameter lists, and it can access parameters which it shoudln't, putting the plug-in engine in uncontrolled states.

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hakey wrote:Well, I had a look at the function parsing input of that synth... hmm, yeah, too geeky. Sorry for bringing it up.
I disagree. I'm glad you brought it up.

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Dear Urs, please tell me, is it planned to change osc fx? Can add several parameters that change and control osc fx? Thus, there will be a lot of editing possibilities for osc fx. Thanks!

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Weightlifter wrote:Dear Urs, please tell me, is it planned to change osc fx? Can add several parameters that change and control osc fx? Thus, there will be a lot of editing possibilities for osc fx. Thanks!
I'm going to try several options. I think a second parameter might be nice, but I won't make it too complicated.

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Urs wrote: I'm going to try several options. I think a second parameter might be nice, but I won't make it too complicated.
Thanks, even one additional parameter will be awesome!

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lnikj wrote:I hope you're not regretting it :-o
I went through 50 presets now. One had Velocity assigned to do something audible. Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth. I won't see this as a desirable thing anymore :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyhow, I found a lot of quirks fiddling around. There are quite a few things that IMHO need attention. I don't regret buying it though, if there ever was any lingering feeling as to it becoming my nemesis, this feeling is gone. I'm sure the editors and options in Zebra3 will be on par.

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Urs wrote:
lnikj wrote:I hope you're not regretting it :-o
I went through 50 presets now. One had Velocity assigned to do something audible. Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth. I won't see this as a desirable thing anymore :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyhow, I found a lot of quirks fiddling around. There are quite a few things that IMHO need attention. I don't regret buying it though, if there ever was any lingering feeling as to it becoming my nemesis, this feeling is gone. I'm sure the editors and options in Zebra3 will be on par.
Synth buying is retail therapy for many of us around here. This sounds an entirely different form of therapy :wink:

Glad it wasn't entirely useless!

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Simon-Claudius wrote:
hakey wrote:Well, I had a look at the function parsing input of that synth... hmm, yeah, too geeky. Sorry for bringing it up.
I disagree. I'm glad you brought it up.
According to drzhnn, it's already possible with the scripting engine. And the scripting engine was never all that popular, which might hint at why a formula parser for Z3 isn't such a good idea

I think a graphic editor will be better.

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Urs wrote: Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth.
Any thoughts as to why they are apparently so successful? It all looks like style over substance. Is it just marketing and gimmicks?

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hakey wrote:
Urs wrote: Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth.
Any thoughts as to why they are apparently so successful? It all looks like style over substance. Is it just marketing and gimmicks?
No idea. I'm just surprised that they get away with factory presets that don't allow for virtuosity. Which might be a pro rather than a con within various scenes.

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Urs wrote:
hakey wrote:
Urs wrote: Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth.
Any thoughts as to why they are apparently so successful? It all looks like style over substance. Is it just marketing and gimmicks?
No idea. I'm just surprised that they get away with factory presets that don't allow for virtuosity. Which might be a pro rather than a con within various scenes.
That's something I instantly loved when I got Diva and realised how dynamic the presets was, truly playable. I remember thinking something like "these guys really get it", it feels more like an instrument for "real" musicians than a noise making tool. Opening up Spire after that felt like shit pretty much. It's funny that most of them is fully capable of mapping velocity to a lot of params but rarely do in the presets. I guess presets without velocity works fine for people who input most of their notes in the daw and simply use mod-wheel automation to change the sound in most cases. (On the other hand I still think Spire has a strong/unique enough sound to be worth having.)

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mrj1nx wrote:
Urs wrote:
hakey wrote:
Urs wrote: Just like the other S-synths I've tried. You gotta be f**king kidding me if this is the key to a successful EDM synth.
Any thoughts as to why they are apparently so successful? It all looks like style over substance. Is it just marketing and gimmicks?
No idea. I'm just surprised that they get away with factory presets that don't allow for virtuosity. Which might be a pro rather than a con within various scenes.
That's something I instantly loved when I got Diva and realised how dynamic the presets was, truly playable. I remember thinking something like "these guys really get it", it feels more like an instrument for "real" musicians than a noise making tool. Opening up Spire after that felt like shit pretty much. It's funny that most of them is fully capable of mapping velocity to a lot of params but rarely do in the presets. I guess presets without velocity works fine for people who input most of their notes in the daw and simply use mod-wheel automation to change the sound in most cases. (On the other hand I still think Spire has a strong/unique enough sound to be worth having.)
Though quite a few virtuoso players made great music on a Minimoog. :wink:

Though I am glad that Zebra presets are so expressive.

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Urs wrote:No idea. I'm just surprised that they get away with factory presets that don't allow for virtuosity. Which might be a pro rather than a con within various scenes.
As a virtuoso harpsichord player, I take offense to the notion that velocity sensitivity is a requriement for virtuosity. In fact, dynamics are way over rated. Serum is to EDM as the Harpsichord is to Baroque. Say it with me: velocity is over rated.

BTW, I'm kidding on absolutely every front. But yeah, makes sense that a lack of velocity response would make a synth popular with the EDM crowd. No point in worrying about sloppy dynamics in music where dynamics kind of aren't the point.

I'll be honest (and serious for a second) the first thing I do with most U-he patches is take Aftertouch and manually assign it to Expression. Only because my main synth controller doesn't have Aftertouch but I do have an Expression pedal. Sometimes, I'll find myself not clicking with a patch until I do that, then it's like, "Oh, I get it now."

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Regarding stuff like that, i just read the feature list for a new electric guitar vst library, and they use sampled lfos for vibrato, maybe that would be something for Zebra 3, grabbing vibratos from a bunch of different instrument players. They seem to be evolving over time so maybe it would be an mseg thing but that mighy need loop points. It would be cool to have a list available with vibratos anyways. Specifically electric guitar can have quite a range of expressivity in the vibrato alone not to mention everything else about the guitar.

Does anyone know whats the best electric guitar emulation patch in Z2 to check out?

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