KVR Audio

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:03 pm

my freeze is better than your freeze..

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:06 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
kevink wrote:
griels wrote:...I couldn't give a damn about 99% of the new features. I do know however, that the rumoured 'Deep Freeze' functionality in SX3 would make my life a lot easier (allows complete unloading of a frozen plugin, potentially saving gigabytes of RAM)...
You mean you can't do that already? I happen to use Sonar, where "Freezing" is called "Bouncing" a plugin track to an audio track.
Many apps - including Logic 5.5 (PC) have that - its not the same as freezing at all - which is why they have now brought out proper freezing in version 4 (looks much better implemented than in SX too - closer to Samplitudes perhaps?)

It certainy was the only way I could have completed full projects with lots of Reaktor 2.3 running in Logic 4.8 back in the day. Bounce down, bring in audio clip, move MIDI track onto a 'blank track', and unload Reaktor. This way I had the MIDI parts still, and the audio part recorded.

Devon

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:07 pm

OK, I see a small list of features.

I assume when this is fully announced we get to see the much longer list of new bugs?

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:07 pm

sickle666 wrote:my freeze is better than your freeze..

Pfft, my freeze is *BIGGER* than your freeze with my 16 out VSTi and track selectors set for the whole song!

Devon

griels · Post by **griels** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:08 pm

DevonB wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
kevink wrote:
griels wrote:...I couldn't give a damn about 99% of the new features. I do know however, that the rumoured 'Deep Freeze' functionality in SX3 would make my life a lot easier (allows complete unloading of a frozen plugin, potentially saving gigabytes of RAM)...
You mean you can't do that already? I happen to use Sonar, where "Freezing" is called "Bouncing" a plugin track to an audio track.
Many apps - including Logic 5.5 (PC) have that - its not the same as freezing at all - which is why they have now brought out proper freezing in version 4 (looks much better implemented than in SX too - closer to Samplitudes perhaps?)
It certainy was the only way I could have completed full projects with lots of Reaktor 2.3 running in Logic 4.8 back in the day. Bounce down, bring in audio clip, move MIDI track onto a 'blank track', and unload Reaktor. This way I had the MIDI parts still, and the audio part recorded.

Devon

Exactly. Horribly overcomplicated. You have to save all the settings and restore them exactly if you unload a plugin. Not always simple.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:13 pm

griels wrote:Exactly. Horribly overcomplicated. You have to save all the settings and restore them exactly if you unload a plugin. Not always simple.

No, you're right, it was complicated... but it worked. Ya do what'cha gotta do.

Devon

griels · Post by **griels** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:15 pm

DevonB wrote:
No, you're right, it was complicated... but it worked. Ya do what'cha gotta do.

Devon

Indeed I do, as much as I dislike it.

My fault for being addicted to vast multisamples

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:39 pm

yeah, I'm still calling it 'one-button-freeze' when Sonar gets it.

Multi-Button-Freeze (tm), and full PDC were some of the things us early Sonar users could brag about early on.

Even when freeze was announced in logic, I remember the response on teh cakewalk boards wasn't of amazement, it was more of 'wow, one button press instead of three, good ENHANCEMENT idea'

Now I'll take my Sonar fanboyism elsewhere, thanks for listening LOL

Alfalfa · Post by **Alfalfa** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:40 pm

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:42 pm

Although I will say this 'one-button-freeze (tm)' is much improved over the old school way.

and the old school way didn't release RAM, but back then VSL, QLSO, Scarbee Rhodes and <insert other top sample pack here> didn't exist either.

griels · Post by **griels** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:35 am

EricRichmond wrote: Now I'll take my Sonar fanboyism elsewhere, thanks for listening LOL

I'm watching you like a hawk, boy!

Alfalfa wrote: That sounds like a Steinberg feature. Finally implement it correctly and give another name. SONAR 4 has it built into their freeze function.

Well, it works OK in SX2, it's just 3 or 4 times slower than it should be. No big deal, go and make a cup of coffee and come back. And it's had it for about a year. Sonar 4 doesn't ship for another month!

In any case, Sonar 4 looks very impressive. I'm going to wait and see how SX3 turns out - looks like it'll be announced this Friday at the Apple conference. If it's not a free upgrade, I'll wait a while to see how user reports are and I'll seriously consider defecting to the dark side

I just wish it was cross platform... One of my pecadilloes

Then again, maybe Tracktion 2 will be out by that time, and maybe it'll have better MIDI editing/processing (a drum editor maybe?)... We'll see.

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:41 am

yeah, I'm excited to see what SX3 cooks up as well.

Seeing all the new mac stuff coming out reeeeealy makes me wish cakewalk suddenly finds a sense of humor and starts coding for macs

MacQ · Post by **MacQ** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:42 am

Hi ...

Can any of you Sonar fanboys tell me if you can customize ALL of the hotkeys for everything? For example, if I want the top row of numbers on my keyboard to respond like in Cubase (1-Pencil, 2-Line Tool, etc), can I do that?

Basically, can I make Sonar behave like SX in hotkey functionality?

Thanks,

(stu.macQ)

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:43 am

EricRichmond wrote:Even when freeze was announced in logic, I remember the response on teh cakewalk boards wasn't of amazement, it was more of 'wow, one button press instead of three, good ENHANCEMENT idea'

Yeah, that's what you think when you've never used it - I did so, too .....until I used it. Now I know!

christianmusicmaker · Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:52 am

stu.macQ wrote:Hi ...

Can any of you Sonar fanboys tell me if you can customize ALL of the hotkeys for everything? For example, if I want the top row of numbers on my keyboard to respond like in Cubase (1-Pencil, 2-Line Tool, etc), can I do that?

Basically, can I make Sonar behave like SX in hotkey functionality?

Thanks,

(stu.macQ)

Do you mean like this...?

Key Bindings enhancements

"Version 4 extends SONAR's keystroke actions with access to single key functions and the transport keys now active in all views including plug-in windows

Version 4 also includes built-in keystroke emulating templates for other DAWs including Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Digital Performer, Samplitude, and other DAWs providing convenience on cross-platform projects or for easy migrating to the SONAR platform.

You can also Import/Export your custom SONAR key binding presets for sharing/backup/transfer to other workstations".

NEW CUBASE SX 3 SIMPLY MINDBLOWING !!!!