As you say the problem is that he won't stick to his stated hypothesis. As stated it merely says that Eleanor Rigby doesn't sound identical when you hear it on your phone speaker or on decent monitors or in concert. It's impossible to disagree with that. The "hypothesis" says nothing about whether it is recognisable as Eleanor Rigby which we all know it is unless the "system" you're listening on is seriously bad.ghettosynth wrote:We say "vacuously true." It's a meaningless statement and yet he's trying to assert this should somehow have meaning beyond mastering and implications for producers, even going so far as to suggest that, it should raise the question: since every listening experience is different, what's the point of making music? The words "participate" and "basis" are a vast overstatement.
From any sort of meaningful statistical basis, the statement is false. Eleanor Rigby is Eleanor Rigby whether you hear it on a pocket radio or in a concert. He's been asked several times to elaborate on why anyone should care about this but just keeps moving the goalposts and bringing up more nonsense.
It's like saying everyone who eats Gordon Ramsey's signature Beef Wellington experiences it differently so we can't say that it's meaningfully different from a TV dinner. Or that saying it depends on which plate you eat it from. Of course we can, the common experience of Gordon's Beef Wellington, or Eleanor Rigby completely swamps minor differences regarding how it's consumed and nobody would assert that, as a diner, that you are "participating" in the cooking of the meal. GTFOH!
Hypothesis my ass!
It's the equivalent of "Everyone who eats GR's Beef Wellington experiences it differently and so GR can't know know precisely what anyone tastes". That's true too. But it says nothing about confusing that experience with eating a TV dinner.
Still you can only get limited entertainment from talking to someone who appears to deliberately misunderstand anything that he doesn't like (and then blames it on his poor grasp of English). Not much point explaining things to someone who can't (won't?) understand your explanations. But this thread is a bit like a car crash. You know you shouldn't, but it's almost impossible to look away
.Steve
I repute myself ripe to raise hand if I'm totally wrong about what I'm trying to say. The fact is another... is that no one got my doubt. My fault? Probably, but I'm not trolling anybody, and I don't want to show us I've a long dick!
