Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Fleer]

If I understood the Waves blurb on the AR Collection page correctly, you'll still get separate serials which you can sell.

[shidostrife]

Okay so everyone knows Waves is doing a massive Flash Sale (http://www.waves.com/specials).

I have a question for experts who have been using Waves a long time:

- I have everything in Abbey Road Bundle except Abbey Road Reverb Plates + The King's Microphones.
- Currently, Abbey Road Reverb Plates is $29 on sale (something like $22.90 on EveryPlugin). And that's the only remaining "sorta-want" plugin from the Abbey bundle that I lack.
- Via Waves own site, I can use the "custom upgrade" option to trade in all of my individual plugins for a Abbey Road Bundle for just $27 (that's a current sale; normally this exact upgrade would have been $226). So for +$4.1 compared to just buying the plates now, I would be replacing my licenses with the full bundle instead.
- Benefits of doing so, as far as I know: Get king's mics too (meh, it's just some EQ snapshots). Having the bundle will make me eligible for intro discounts on new Abbey Road plugins in the future (but how big are those discounts? I can't find anyone saying how much their offers are when new plugins come out? and what happens if I skip a new bundle plugin and wait for a 2nd one, does that mean I can no longer use a bundle completion offer for the 2nd one?). It consolidates all plugins into a single WUP coverage which means cheaper renewals.
- Disadvantages of trading my individual plugins for a bundle: Waves is still at Waves V9 so there's no point refreshing WUP right now. Tying all plugins together as a bundle means I can no longer sell individual ones, right?

The question is what would you do in this situation?

AFAIK, the abbey road bundle is unique in that they send you separate serials, so you could sell individual products.

[Fleer]

The same goes for all Waves Collections (instead of Bundles).

[Temptin]

If I understood the Waves blurb on the AR Collection page correctly, you'll still get separate serials which you can sell. The same goes for all Waves Collections (instead of Bundles).

Hmm, nice find... It says "The Abbey Road Collection registers as single plugins. When new Waves Abbey Road plugins are released, owners of all previous Abbey Road plugins can add them at a special price."

But I think they'll probably reject individual transfer offers? Does anyone know? (I could contact their support but the sale may be over when they reply). Otherwise I could do something like "Sell my Plates license for $100, upgrade to complete bundle again for $50, Sell plates for $100, repeat".

As for the upgrade-method: I see now that people basically have to go and click all of their individual Abbey Road plugins on the "upgrade" page of their account, and it will give them a price for "completing their Abbey Road Collection". Doing so will add the missing plugins to their account.

So that's how current bundle owners get discounts. And it means their discount for previous bundle owners is an all-or-nothing. You can't apply it individually towards specific new plugins. If I want to skip plugin addition A but buy addition B, I would have to buy both A+B when that day comes. And it would also automatically buy-back any individual plugins I have sold...

Furthermore, I saw an example. A plugin I just read about (Vinyl?) was $83 on intro, but $79 when bundle owners used "upgrade offer". So that's hardly any extra discount, and it assumes the person owns and wants to keep all other plugins in the collection to get that price. Hmm.

But if anyone knows if I can sell individual plugins, then sure, I'll upgrade to the collection in this case. It'll give me some extra discount on near-future additions if I want those on launch-day...

[Fleer]

Yep, I did it with the Signature Vocal Collection. Sold the individual plugins I didn't want to hang on to separately. Matt at Waves gives great support.

[Temptin]

Yep, I did it with the Signature Vocal Collection. Sold the individual plugins I didn't want to hang on to separately.

Thanks a lot, that's a relief. I'll upgrade to the collection now.

[Temptin]

Edit: double post

Edit: I will use this post to say that the upgrade cost was a final of just $24.30 after using the "CK901" Waves coupon! Awesome! And it renewed all expired WUPs for all of my Abbey Road plugins, which was worth a hell of a lot of money in case V10 is right around the corner.

I am also happy that I now own all plugins, since that means getting a discount on extra additions to the collection in the future. And I bet that anything they'll come up with next is going to be incredible and be a no-brainer. The Abbey Road line has been getting better and better with every release.

Edit: Interesting discovery - by doing the upgrade, all license keys for existing products were replaced with different keys. For example "ABC1234..." may have been the key for something I already owned, and then it became "HFEA343..." etc. So they literally generated new licenses for each individual plugin, and deleted the old ones from your account. And "Waves Central" on the computer no longer listed my "currently installed" products as local licenses on my local hard disk anymore. I had to re-activate every plugin via Waves Central. So they literally revoked + replaced all serials with new ones. Interesting method. I guess that's how they succeed in setting them all to the same WUP date.

Edit: I'll end this by saying the Abbey Road Plates is very good (it's a no-brainer at $29, guys!). And it benefits a lot from the Abbey Road Reverb Trick:

[MogwaiBoy]

Bought AR Plates, could not resist. First snare drum through it at 100% wet was "whoah, nice".

[Fleer]

Yep, I did it with the Signature Vocal Collection. Sold the individual plugins I didn't want to hang on to separately.

Thanks a lot, that's a relief. I'll upgrade to the collection now.

Congrats. Thinking of getting the AR Collection as well, now at $99 and change. OTOH, there's that OTS Evolution Acoustic bundle I could complete at about the same price. Decisions, decisions.

[MogwaiBoy]

In other news, Waves' $29 sale is the new plugin sweetspot price and other devs have discounted at the exact same $29 price... off the top of my head: iZotope, BeatSkills, Soundtoys. May it continue! Thank you, competitive free market system. Sorry Venezuela....

[kelvyn]

In other news, Waves' $29 sale is the new plugin sweetspot price and other devs have discounted at the exact same $29 price... off the top of my head: iZotope, BeatSkills, Soundtoys. May it continue! Thank you, competitive free market system. Sorry Venezuela....

Waves are definitely up to something!

[Temptin]

In other news, Waves' $29 sale is the new plugin sweetspot price and other devs have discounted at the exact same $29 price... off the top of my head: iZotope, BeatSkills, Soundtoys. May it continue! Thank you, competitive free market system. Sorry Venezuela....

Waves are definitely up to something!

Theory 1: Preparing for Waves V10 where they will get WUP costs for all of those cheap plugins. But since each plugin comes with a year of coverage I guess V10 isn't close.

Theory 2: They are feeling pressure from all other, frankly often better, plugin makers these days. So they want to compete vs subscriptions. Tons of $29 sales every month is better than $10 subscriptions.

[Temptin]

Yep, I did it with the Signature Vocal Collection. Sold the individual plugins I didn't want to hang on to separately.

Thanks a lot, that's a relief. I'll upgrade to the collection now.

Congrats. Thinking of getting the AR Collection as well, now at $99 and change. OTOH, there's that OTS Evolution Acoustic bundle I could complete at about the same price. Decisions, decisions.

Whether that's worth it depends on what AR plugins you are missing.

As for OTS Evolution, be sure to check out this instead: https://8dio.com/instrument/advanced-gu ... st-au-aax/ (the sequencer and deep sampling is mindblowingly realistic sounding)

[evilantal]

Theory 2: They are feeling pressure from all other, frankly often better, plugin makers these days. So they want to compete vs subscriptions. Tons of $29 sales every month is better than $10 subscriptions.

Or they are gearing up to go subscription themselves.
Hauling one last mountain of cash from individual plugin sales before that time.

[loungepanda]

Soo... buying Iris 2 and crossgrading to MPB2 is apparently 50$ cheaper than buying MPB2 outright. How does that make any sense?

Or RX Elements + Crossgrade for over $200 cheaper than buying MPB2 outright. I'm guessing this is the reason iZotope ran all the $29 sales in the first place.

Thought you couldn't crossgrade from elements versions since they aren't considered "standard"?

edit: so only DDLY, Moebius and freebies don't qualify? A bit misleading if that's the case.

edit 2: nevermind. Just getting confused since I apparently don't know how to read. "Any one version of these current iZotope products" clearly implies that RX versions are eligible aswell.