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SHall1000 · Post by **SHall1000** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:25 pm

Or have I missed something on installation?

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:35 pm

There are lots here for me.

Also there are loads of active presets on the easy screen.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 pm

Yes, and there's a bug since V11 (which nobody noticed yet

) - the Band presets in MB plugins don't contain any presets. Fixed, will be available in the next update.

SHall1000 · Post by **SHall1000** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:34 pm

Thanks Vojtech - I thought it was strange not to showcase the main feature of a MB plugin!

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:22 pm

I notice the V11 problems too not, because i avoid to use multiband. Problem for me is, that Linear phase sound perfect, but latency with 3072 samples is large. there is another mode with 2048 samples latency tonal transient but still large. realtime play able i think 512 samples. Is there no way to get better multiband sound as analog with a latency of 512 samples ? maybe possible if the minimum frequency is 160 hz. frequency below 160 hz are often not need for reverb

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm

magicmusic wrote:I notice the V11 problems too not, because i avoid to use multiband. Problem for me is, that Linear phase sound perfect, but latency with 3072 samples is large. there is another mode with 2048 samples latency tonal transient but still large. realtime play able i think 512 samples. Is there no way to get better multiband sound as analog with a latency of 512 samples ? maybe possible if the minimum frequency is 160 hz. frequency below 160 hz are often not need for reverb

What is wrong with latency, if the host compensates for it?

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:12 pm

I have a couple of hardware verbs I was going to have a go at creating IRs for now we have the various crossover options. Nothing special and I'm a noob at this so they may turn it shit but I fancy having a go

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:31 pm

jmg8 wrote:
magicmusic wrote:I notice the V11 problems too not, because i avoid to use multiband. Problem for me is, that Linear phase sound perfect, but latency with 3072 samples is large. there is another mode with 2048 samples latency tonal transient but still large. realtime play able i think 512 samples. Is there no way to get better multiband sound as analog with a latency of 512 samples ? maybe possible if the minimum frequency is 160 hz. frequency below 160 hz are often not need for reverb
What is wrong with latency, if the host compensates for it?

I always play realtime with my midi keyboard to test settings or change sounds. when play a loop again and again and edit sounds i think boring. i am not a perfect keyboarder but it is really very hard to play life when the sound come noticable later as i press the key. 1024 samples buffer is the last acceptable halfways. but 2048 or 3072 bytes is really much.

if you have reaper and no midi keyboard you can switch on with menu view-> virtual midi keyboard. then you can press the keys on your computer keyboard to play the sound of a synth realtime so you can hear the delay when phase linear multiband is used

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:35 pm

magicmusic wrote:
jmg8 wrote:
magicmusic wrote:I notice the V11 problems too not, because i avoid to use multiband. Problem for me is, that Linear phase sound perfect, but latency with 3072 samples is large. there is another mode with 2048 samples latency tonal transient but still large. realtime play able i think 512 samples. Is there no way to get better multiband sound as analog with a latency of 512 samples ? maybe possible if the minimum frequency is 160 hz. frequency below 160 hz are often not need for reverb
What is wrong with latency, if the host compensates for it?
I always play realtime with my midi keyboard to test settings or change sounds. when play a loop again and again and edit sounds i think boring. i am not a perfect keyboarder but it is really very hard to play life when the sound come noticable later as i press the key. 1024 samples buffer is the last acceptable halfways. but 2048 or 3072 bytes is really much.

if you have reaper and no midi keyboard you can switch on with menu view-> virtual midi keyboard. then you can press the keys on your computer keyboard to play the sound of a synth realtime so you can hear the delay when phase linear multiband is used

Some processes have latency, it is unavoidable. Examples being spectral effects and linear phase processes, this is not something Melda can fix. All you can do is minimize the latency, lower your buffer setting or increase sample rate.

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:09 pm

for linear phase, the delay get larger as lower the frequency is what you want process. For example the Voxengo Marvell GEQ is a free 32 band linear phase graphic EQ and work ok with a buffer of 512 bytes if frequencies go not lower as 150 hz. lower frequencies it process, but if you boost 126 hz for example it boost all from 20 hz upto 150 hz. for reverb it is not big problem when frequencie boost of lower freq than 150 hz do not work good. often frequency below 150 hz can cut. the Marvell have bands in low freq 20, 31,7,50.2, 79.6,126,200,317...

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:44 pm

Sure, but latency is still unavoidable if you want linear phase. Most people will be dealing with frequencies below 150hz, so asking for a crossover with poor low-frequency response in exchange for better latency seems like a real edge case and I'm guessing Vojtech will just tell you to use analog for realtime and linear-phase for bouncing.

Either way, this discussion doesn't really belong in this thread about missing presets. i recommend making a new thread and making your case there if you really want to push for it.

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:09 pm

vectorwarrior wrote:Sure, but latency is still unavoidable if you want linear phase. Most people will be dealing with frequencies below 150hz

I mean of course only the reverb signal not the direct signal. in real world reverb have very few level of this low frequency and all reverbs have a hi pass filter. often reverb sound more clean when kill frequency below 150 hz. when a reverb create low frequency it give a boomy dull sound, only usefull for some special effects

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:16 pm

The crossover is a global system used by all melda plugins, so a change would need to work for all effects not just reverb. Again, this conversation deserves it's own thread.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:47 pm

I'm actually quite surprised you like the linear-phase stuff so much magicmusic. Anyways sorry, lower latencies won't be possible. Next version will contain the 6dB/oct crossover, which is zerophase by nature. It has a low 6dB/oct separation though.

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:24 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Next version will contain the 6dB/oct crossover, which is zerophase by nature. It has a low 6dB/oct separation though.

Oooh, nice. A few of us asked for 6db crossovers, I'm excited to try that out!

Also I'm surprised they are zero phase, I've not heard of that property of 6db filters, interesting.

Any ETA on the update?

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