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jinotsuh · Post by **jinotsuh** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:56 pm

jancivil wrote:
Nothing is better than BFD3.

That be my feeling, I like to actually own each product and give them a fair shake with extended use, as apposed to just trying time limited demos. I own SD2 and all available expansions, BFD3 and all available expansions (Plus many other drum vsti's), for me there is no comparison between BFD3 and SD2, it's BFD3 hands down without question.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:18 pm

The digital vault cymbals are my favorite drum sampler libraries.

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:15 am

Well of course it is, says so on the tin, innit?

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:19 am

Aleatoriac wrote:Well of course it is, says so on the tin, innit?

hmmm ... always thought it was BIG, but I guess BEST works too.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:26 am

Have both... I use SD a lot more.

JJ_Jettflow · Post by **JJ_Jettflow** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:58 am

jancivil wrote:Nothing is better than BFD3.

Does SD have modeled cymbal swell and splash with total control?

That is a killer feature eh?

For sure SD 2 does not have it (used to own it before got BFD) and from what I have heard neither will SD 3.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:47 pm

Yeah, they really achieved what they set out to do. This is one of those 'on paper' or 'in theory' things one might be skeptical about how much difference will it make, it's pretty major.
I'm not certain about where this first appeared in the BFD line, but this articulation of stomping on the hihat pedal to get a splash is new to me, and I just love it.

I've been automating the degree of room and/or ambience rather than a reverb send outside of it lately, I really like the room sound of it and there's a sort of synergy here. I do that usually with cymbals.
This is more than a mixer of drums in 'reality' would maybe think to do but it really suits me.

Also note the [modeled] resonance of toms vis a vis the kick drum here.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:05 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:Too many awesome choices sometimes.
You can say that again.

+1

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:48 pm

jancivil wrote:Yeah, they really achieved what they set out to do. This is one of those 'on paper' or 'in theory' things one might be skeptical about how much difference will it make, it's pretty major.
I'm not certain about where this first appeared in the BFD line, but this articulation of stomping on the hihat pedal to get a splash is new to me, and I just love it...

Also note the [modeled] resonance of toms vis a vis the kick drum here.

Agreed. The cymbal swelling is great and brings a nice life/realism whenever you're riding on a cymbal. The tom resonance is nice too. I actually think the hihat splashing has been around since version 1, if not, definitely BFD2. I've never used SD2 or 3, but it's a shame that they don't have something comparable. I was watching an SD3 sample video and the cymbals sounded very static on repeat hits due to the lack of any kind of swell modeling. I heard the effect of it before I even knew that they didn't have it.

All that said, some folks are going to prefer the sound of the default SD3 library over the BFD3 library and vice versa. I think BFD3 has the better underlying engine, but the sound of the libraries is another factor entirely.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:42 pm

jancivil wrote:Yeah, they really achieved what they set out to do. This is one of those 'on paper' or 'in theory' things one might be skeptical about how much difference will it make, it's pretty major.

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I was watching an SD3 sample video and the cymbals sounded very static on repeat hits due to the lack of any kind of swell modeling. I heard the effect of it before I even knew that they didn't have it.

The thing I had to do before swell modeling was use a cymbal that has a lot of velocity layers and use a lot of variety here to get a viable roll. anti-machine gun only goes so far when there's too few layers.

If I wanted that classic mallets swell, I would always go to VSL with a single key in a patch, and a fair amount of time-stretch. I'm really glad to be able to have control of it.

Someone asserted that SD has it now, but I checked the demo and it's crossfading layers in fact.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:54 am

V interesting hearing everyone's views.

Makes me feel more comfortable with BFD3, so thanks

Smasha · Post by **Smasha** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:34 pm

Toontrack site is down atm for me.
Can anyone log in?

504 Gateway Time-out

seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:22 pm

Any of these (SD3/BFD3) have really dry, dampened 70s kits ala Steely Dan-ish? Or are both of these mainly geared towards metal?

From what I remember of BFD2, most of the drum kits were too "roomy" even with the room mics off.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:30 pm

seamoss wrote:Any of these (SD3/BFD3) have really dry, dampened 70s kits ala Steely Dan-ish? Or are both of these mainly geared towards metal?

From what I remember of BFD2, most of the drum kits were too "roomy" even with the room mics off.

My initial reason for going with BFD is that it had "drier" kits to start from and I don't do metal at all and SD seemed to be centered around that. However, over the years both have released kits across a huge array of styles and processing. I don't know that either is really stuck with either "metal kits" or overly wet defaults.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:35 pm

Smasha wrote:Toontrack site is down atm for me.
Can anyone log in?

504 Gateway Time-out

Up for me but sporadic and slow.

is Superior Drummer better than BFD3?