KVR Audio

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:42 pm

Based on a thread from the Nuendo Forums it seems that the new versions are going to support PDC for external gear. In order to do that they have to provide real-timer interfaces to those devices. Which, hopefully means we will get back the device mapping that went away when SX1 came out. External PDC doesn't excite me too much, but getting device maps beack because of it would be awesome.

The bit about device maps is MY interpretation and is total speculation based on pictures and comments. I could be WAY offbase on that. But we are getting external device PDC.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:45 pm

Alfalfa wrote:Any word about bussing?

I'm not sure what issue you have with bussing? Can you be specific? Again, I use busses to feed external reverb, compressors and send that signal back in. I don't have any problems with this at all, it works great and to me is easy.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't be a pain in the ass for someone else who doesn't use it for that purpose.

allemaniac · Post by **allemaniac** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:46 pm

Ben, that looks like a studio panel for the Roland JD990 synth, not a VSTi. The panel on the right looks like a routing table.. This allows the treatment of external hardware as though it was another plugin.

that's right

Looks like scans of Keyboards mag.

no

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:04 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:To GoaHead, visa tapani and whomever:
[long explanation]...

Sj_Digriz wrote:The issues are pretty simple really. No one is exactly wrong. The difference in your experience with SX is based on how you use it. For the same reason some people use FL, or Traction or for god knows what reason A Live.

I am a LONG time Cubase user/supporter and have known Sascha from these boards and chat sessions for quite awhile. Sascha is dead right about his frustrations with SX.

Yes yes, I agree that Sascha Franck's frustration is justified. My point wasn't that it isn't. It just seemed to me that Franck's bad experiences had led into a bitterness towards Cubase, which in turn resulted in him firing a somewhat rude remark in response to GoaHead's note on Cubase SX 2.2's stability. It was Sascha Franck's unconstructive attitude and style that was getting on my nerves, not the actual content of his objections.

Hence: give it a break.

Alfalfa · Post by **Alfalfa** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:10 pm

allemaniac · Post by **allemaniac** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:13 pm

found my pictures in the cubase forum, I remove them now. I don't want anyone to be angry.

other pictures and features in german are here:
http://homerecording.de/modules/news/ar ... toryid=308

english translation:
http://forum.cubase.net/forum/Forum2/HTML/069388.html

have fun

cold c · Post by **cold c** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:14 pm

allemaniac wrote:
I don't know much German, but it looks like the VST instrument channel is displayed when the MIDI track is selected. There was a topic a while ago where I requested this exact feature, it should mean there is much less need for the mixer to be open (which is nice). The relation between MIDI and VSTi seems much more logical now.
that's how it is.

Great, that's how I thought it should be in Sascha's "SX issues" topic.

Also-

http://homerecording.de/modules/news/ar ... toryid=308
(link posted by boogie on forum.cubase.net)

They are suggesting 149 Euros, which is a bit steep IMO.
and

Die Kernfeatures im Überblick:

Audio Warp Echtzeit Time-Stretching und PitchShifting ermöglichen eine intuitive Anpassung aller Audio-Tracks eines Songs in Realtime. ACID-Files können direkt importiert werden und passen sich dem Songtempo an

der Play Order Track ermöglicht pattern-orientiertes Arrangieren auf der Basis eingespielter Audio- und MIDI-Daten. Das Ergebnis kann dann "on-the-fly" in den Song übernommen werden

im Inplace-Editor lassen sich MIDI-Daten im Projektfenster darstellen und vollwertig editieren - quasi ein integrierter Key-Editor

neue MIDI Device Maps/Panels sorgen für eine intuitive Steuerung externer MIDI-Geräte durch grafische Bedienelemente (a la Sounddiver). VST-Mixer Maps können importiert werden

Benutzerdefinierte Workspaces verbessern die Organisation der Arbeitsfläche von Cubase. Komplette Produktionssettings lassen sich per Tastaturkommando blitzschnell abrufen

totale Integration des Yamaha Studio Managers in die Cubase Umgebung, Total-Recall von Yamaha-Pulten beim Öffnen eines Cubase-Projektes

einfache Einbindung etxerner Hardware mittels des External FX Plug-ins, inklusive Latenzberechnung und Input/Output-Pegelangleichung

integrierter VSTi Outputchannel im VSTi-MIDI-Channel-Inspektor für direkten Zugriff

neues Send-Routing bei FX Returnkanälen für komplexe Monitormix-Routings

neues Routing-Fenster für panoramaabhängigen Send

Extended Freeze-Funktion für VSTis (mit oder ohne Insert-Effekte) und Audiospuren - deutliche Performance-Steigerung

Volume Envelopes für Audioevents zum dynamischen Angleich der Lautstärke

Benutzerdefiniertes Color Coding für Tracks und Mixerkanäle zur besseren Übersicht

zwei neue MIDI-Plug-Ins: Arpache SX und Context Gate

ein Dummy Plug-In wird erzeugt, wenn ein SX Projekt auf einem anderen Rechner geladen wird, auf dem Plug-Ins fehlen. Sobald das fehlende Plug-In verfügbar ist, wird dieses wieder mit allen Einstellungen geladen.

Audio Pre-Record-Funktion. Bis zu 10 Minuten werden im Cache von SX 3 gespeichert und können nachträglich als Aufnahme-Datei erzeugt werden

Alternative Waveform Darstellung unabhängig von der Trackhöhe

eigener Audition Channel zur Wiedergabe von Monitorsignalen in SX

zahlreiche G4/G5 und P4 Optimierungen

neues Layout für Synchronisation und Tempospur-Fenster

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:17 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Based on a thread from the Nuendo Forums it seems that the new versions are going to support PDC for external gear. In order to do that they have to provide real-timer interfaces to those devices. Which, hopefully means we will get back the device mapping that went away when SX1 came out. External PDC doesn't excite me too much, but getting device maps beack because of it would be awesome.

The bit about device maps is MY interpretation and is total speculation based on pictures and comments. I could be WAY offbase on that. But we are getting external device PDC.

This is interesting news. I wonder how Steinberg are going to gather the internal latencies of the AD/DA converters. I know my audiophile uses a 31 sample buffer for in and out which means 62 samples total + the asio setting which I run constantly at 256 samples. The problim is that different generations of AKM AD/DA's and other brands have different buffers.. now how does steinberg gona compensate for that?

I really like the idea of PDC for outboard gear, if it's FULL pdc. Logic Audio 5.5.1 already had partial compensation for outboard gear with that 'send' plugin but it didn't account for the AD/DA buffer so you could not do proper parallel compression nor that famous Mo'Town exciter effect. Still, this is all very interesting..

Thanks for the heads up!
bManic

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:17 pm

The one feature I'd like to see implemented in a future Cubase version would be the possibility of setting a VST-effect on a portion of a midi- or an audio-track. I mean without any use of automation, you could have, say, only a certain section of a vocal track ran through Reaktor.

This would be immensely useful for the type of stuff I do. I think Samplitude and Tracktion do this, but In SX 2.2 at least it's impossible. Probably not implemented in SX 3 either?

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:20 pm

Damn. This is looking amazing. If they can pull all this off with a reasonable number of bugs I might start using Cubase again.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:21 pm

visa tapani wrote:The one feature I'd like to see implemented in a future Cubase version would be the possibility of setting a VST-effect on a portion of a midi- or an audio-track. I mean without any use of automation, you could have, say, only a certain section of a vocal track ran through Reaktor.

This would be immensely useful for the type of stuff I do. I think Samplitude and Tracktion do this, but In SX 2.2 at least it's impossible. Probably not implemented in SX 3 either?

Yes, this is what samplitude has had for years. They call it object based editing. You can put DX or VST effects anywhere at anytime on a given audio track. You can even have a single syllable of a word send to the AUX channels reverb or some other crazy effect.

Cheers!
bManic

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:37 pm

visa tapani wrote: a somewhat rude remark in response to GoaHead's note on Cubase SX 2.2's stability.

Since when is a "LOL" and some (at best a little sarcastic) remark considered being "rude" here @ K-v-R?

Yes, I am rude at times - but you cartainly can't be serious about it this time, are you?

In addition - if there was any rudeness at all, it clearly wasn't aiming at GoaHead or whomever, but towards Steinberg.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:42 pm

visa tapani wrote:The one feature I'd like to see implemented in a future Cubase version would be the possibility of setting a VST-effect on a portion of a midi- or an audio-track. I mean without any use of automation, you could have, say, only a certain section of a vocal track ran through Reaktor.

Well, for audio tracks that's allready possible.
Maybe not as comfortable as in Samplitude, but it's there.
No idea how it could even work for MIDI tracks...

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:44 pm

alfalfa the right click in soanr to bring up a bus can be done just as easily in cubase sx 2-

as for visa tipani
highlight tha area you want - use your split loop shortcut - drag new peice to a different channel - effect away

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:48 pm

how ? as soon as you close the audio/vsti edit window it reverts back to Midi.

or am I way off ?

SJ_Digriz wrote:You know you can lock the inspector windows open and get direct access to those output settings without having to scroll or open a mixer right?.

NEW CUBASE SX 3 SIMPLY MINDBLOWING !!!!