Bitwig

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:47 pm

I just upgraded to v2, and can't figure out a way to make sample accurate edits, unless I'm missing something. If I use the knife tool and split an arranger clip on the timeline, it seems to mess up the samples at the edit point and there are audible clicks/pops. This also happens when making cuts to regions inside a clip - but with different spectral results (see the images below). Toggling the "automatically create fades" option on/off doesn't affect this - still pops/clicks/unclean splits. In fact, even with that on I don't actually ever get fades created on splits (but that's another story). I really just want the audio left alone 100%, but split into clips where I make the edits.

Spectral view of splitting an arranger clip at multiple spots:

Spectral view of splitting the audio events inside the clip at multiple spots:

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:58 pm

As an alternative example, here's the same source audio file split multiple times in Reaper's arranger (with auto-crossfades for new media items turned off in preferences).

LFOkid87 · Post by **LFOkid87** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:26 am

Thanks for posting this stuff. Did you have the same issues in version 1.xx?

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:55 am

LFOkid87 wrote:Thanks for posting this stuff. Did you have the same issues in version 1.xx?

Doesn't occur for me in 1.3.16, so it must be a regression. I'll report it (compiling a list of other things too):

LFOkid87 · Post by **LFOkid87** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:19 pm

Thanks for the reply I'm gonna stay on 1.3.16 for now then, I chop a lot of audio.

T71 · Post by **T71** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:21 pm

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:41 am

shadiradio wrote:If I use the knife tool and split an arranger clip on the timeline, it seems to mess up the samples at the edit point and there are audible clicks/pops.

Thank you shadiradio, for posting this. I have this same issue, too, in 2.0.

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:33 am

sagetone wrote:
shadiradio wrote:If I use the knife tool and split an arranger clip on the timeline, it seems to mess up the samples at the edit point and there are audible clicks/pops.
Thank you shadiradio, for posting this. I have this same issue, too, in 2.0.

That was literally my first attempt at using 2.0 for anything. I decided to give it a shot for some contract work (a commercial). Launched it, imported the source material, made some cuts, listened. Sad face.

v1.0 has clicks at clip edges on any multiplicative volume automation, and now there are clicks if you just use the knife. I'll compile a list of everything I've found so far and send it to them. Hopefully this license model gives them some amount of development liberty to focus on a more rock solid foundation.

It doesn't seem like anyone would be able to get any work done (in any genre of music or audio editing) with this. So perhaps it's system-specific? Although it happens for me on both my Mac (10.12.4) and PC (Windows 7).

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:13 pm

shadiradio wrote:So perhaps it's system-specific? Although it happens for me on both my Mac (10.12.4) and PC (Windows 7).

I'm on a PC. Again, thanks for posting this. I hadn't done it yet. But the couple of times I've tried to cut and run into this, agree, it's annoying and not very workable.

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:33 pm

I thought this may have been fixed in 2.2.1 beta 1, because there is this line in the release notes:

FIXED: Slicing raw audio may create sample resources with negative sample start locators.

But that must refer to something else. I still get the spikes/clicks when simply cutting an audio sample on the timeline.

LFOkid87 · Post by **LFOkid87** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:38 pm

Is this still an issue? I love chopping stuff....

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:42 pm

LFOkid87 wrote:Is this still an issue? I love chopping stuff....

Unfortunately, yup. I sent in a bug report and a sample project though, so hopefully they'll fix it in an upcoming patch.

LFOkid87 · Post by **LFOkid87** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:34 am

I know I ask every little while what's the word on this?

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:41 am

LFOkid87 wrote:I know I ask every little while what's the word on this?

You can't slice audio in Bitwig without artifacts, and only a handful of us seem to care. I've sent a sample project a long time ago, not that they need one. Drop an audio file in, slice it, and listen/look at it.

I bought Bitwig v2, but spent this year using Reaper for anything non-music related.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:54 am

Here's the same test in 2.1.4. Dropped in a sample from the default sample libraries, it's set to raw, no crossfades at the edit points, and you can hear and see the clicks/pops. This is a 32-bit export

Bitwig

KVR Audio

Sample-accurate splits?