How do I get Van Halen "Jump" sound?

[deastman]

"Fanboi" is simply a means of dismissing others right off the bat, of invalidating any option they might espouse. The implication is that their enthusiasm for a given subject is based in biased, poor judgement or taste. In other words, "my opinion carries more worth than yours".

[wagtunes]

Here's my question. Where is the empirical study on this? Where is the data that shows that a "significant" portion of the minority who hate Jump do so because of X reason? Or is this just more anecdotal crap because a few friends and/or forums have a few people who spout off their hatred as world gospel?

Because I can get a few of my friends to come here and tell how they hate XYZ. It isn't hard to find a few dissenting opinions is a vast world of people.

In other words, I'm just not buying any of this clap trap until I'm shown some proof other than one person's say so.

[Burillo]

no, that's what "fanboi" means - it's a person who dismisses or diminishes any and all criticism because they're a fan of something. if you get called a "fanboi", that doesn't necessarily mean that you are, but that also doesn't mean that you aren't, so your contention of "calling someone a fanboi is just an easy way to dismiss others' opinions" is wrong - it's not just a way to dismiss people's opinions, it's also a shorthand way of saying "you seem to be biased and hell-bent on cheering for whatever it is that you're a fan of, so i don't think your input is valuable".

[quantum7]

"Jump" is nice, but "I'll Wait" is my absolute favorite VH song. I was in High School when 1984 was released. I remember bringing my Casio to a few parties back then and playing VH keyboard riffs, and also Europe's "Final Countdown" at the request of the ladies. Yes, I was a nerd...but a nerd with girls listening to him nerd-out on a keyboard. LOL

[wagtunes]

no, that's what "fanboi" means - it's a person who dismisses or diminishes any and all criticism because they're a fan of something. if you get called a "fanboi", that doesn't necessarily mean that you are, but that also doesn't mean that you aren't, so your contention of "calling someone a fanboi is just an easy way to dismiss others' opinions" is wrong.

Well you know what? I'm no Van Halen fanbois. I like maybe 2 or 3 of their songs. When I heard Jump, I heard a catchy riff with a cool sound and a well crafted song. I liked it for what it was. Obviously, as it hit the top of the charts, lots of other people felt the same way and I'm sure not all of them are Van Halen fanbois. So I want to know who all these people are who hate Jump for whatever the reason is and not just some anecdotal evidence because one person says so.

In other words, show me the data. Show me the proof.

[ghettosynth]

It was immediately brought up that it must be because it was popular. This isn't the first time that this has happened.

Jump being so popular IS one reason some "hate" it. And that comes from some fans of VH as well, of course.

I'm not sure exactly here what you want to argue about or why it's important to argue TBH. If you hate something because it's popular then I wouldn't really know what to say about that.

Like I said, if you want to talk about why you hate it, knock yourself out.

[subterfuge]

Here's my question. Where is the empirical study on this? Where is the data that shows that a "significant" portion of the minority who hate Jump do so because of X reason?

There is no such thing and will not ever be. Not for this song, not for any other either. Unless you are talking about NOT all inclusive study, in which case any collection of random likes/dislikes would already give you an idea about several reasons. Only the study which would cover all the people in the world would allow to make the real top ten or whatever. How you would decipher and use the results would still be upon yourself.

[wagtunes]

Here's my question. Where is the empirical study on this? Where is the data that shows that a "significant" portion of the minority who hate Jump do so because of X reason?

There is no such thing and will not ever be. Not for this song, not for any other either. Unless you are talking about NOT all inclusive study, in which case any collection of random likes/dislikes would already give you an idea about several reasons. Only the study which would cover all the people in the world would allow to make the real top ten or whatever. How you would decipher and use the results would still be upon yourself.

So in other words, anybody can say anything that they want and we're just supposed to take their word for it. Yeah, hello. I think not.

[subterfuge]

I'm not sure exactly here what you want to argue about or why it's important to argue TBH. If you hate something because it's popular then I wouldn't really know what to say about that.

I don't hate Jump, quite the opposite. But yes, I surely know people who do hate things popular. I also understand their reasoning in some cases. The only thing for me to really argue in this topic was the opinion based on wrong assumptions. It's already been stated several times and not just by me, so I'm fine now.

[subterfuge]

So in other words, anybody can say anything that they want and we're just supposed to take their word for it. Yeah, hello. I think not.

Um, what? Everybody will always say what they will anyway. No, you're not "supposed" to take any of it more seriously than what is required by you in each case. It seems to me that you simply don't believe there are actually several reasons to not like something like Jump? If that's the case, there isn't really anything else to discuss about it.

[Burillo]

no, that's what "fanboi" means - it's a person who dismisses or diminishes any and all criticism because they're a fan of something. if you get called a "fanboi", that doesn't necessarily mean that you are, but that also doesn't mean that you aren't, so your contention of "calling someone a fanboi is just an easy way to dismiss others' opinions" is wrong.

Well you know what? I'm no Van Halen fanbois. I like maybe 2 or 3 of their songs. When I heard Jump, I heard a catchy riff with a cool sound and a well crafted song. I liked it for what it was. Obviously, as it hit the top of the charts, lots of other people felt the same way and I'm sure not all of them are Van Halen fanbois. So I want to know who all these people are who hate Jump for whatever the reason is and not just some anecdotal evidence because one person says so.

In other words, show me the data. Show me the proof.

well, first of all, i don't hate Jump. i have no opinion on it. i mean, it's a song with a catchy synth riff, but i never particularly liked EVH, and this song is no exception. i wasn't even born when it came out, so there's no nostalgia value to me either. nor have i seen particular hatred towards this song.

but really, i wasn't replying to you. i was replying to the other guy who essentially implied that no one could ever justifiably call anyone else a "fanboi", that it's just means of shutting down conversation and dismiss others' opinions.

speaking of hatred for songs, a lot of "i hate this song" really has to do with over-playing it. i mean, i am a huge Queen fan, but really? of all the beautiful songs they've written, you're gonna go with "We Will Rock You" or "We Are The Champions"? i kind of "hate" these songs in a sense that i've grown tired of listening to them, but it has nothing to do with the songs themselves (i love them) and everything to do with the fact that every goddamn speaker even remotely capable of producing sounds has at some point played these songs at least a hundred times.

[wagtunes]

no, that's what "fanboi" means - it's a person who dismisses or diminishes any and all criticism because they're a fan of something. if you get called a "fanboi", that doesn't necessarily mean that you are, but that also doesn't mean that you aren't, so your contention of "calling someone a fanboi is just an easy way to dismiss others' opinions" is wrong.

Well you know what? I'm no Van Halen fanbois. I like maybe 2 or 3 of their songs. When I heard Jump, I heard a catchy riff with a cool sound and a well crafted song. I liked it for what it was. Obviously, as it hit the top of the charts, lots of other people felt the same way and I'm sure not all of them are Van Halen fanbois. So I want to know who all these people are who hate Jump for whatever the reason is and not just some anecdotal evidence because one person says so.

In other words, show me the data. Show me the proof.

well, first of all, i don't hate Jump. i have no opinion on it. i mean, it's a song with a catchy synth riff, but i never particularly liked EVH, and this song is no exception. i wasn't even born when it came out, so there's no nostalgia value to me either. nor have i seen particular hatred towards this song.

but really, i wasn't replying to you. i was replying to the other guy who essentially implied that no one could ever justifiably call anyone else a "fanboi", that it's just means of shutting down conversation and dismiss others' opinions.

speaking of hatred for songs, a lot of "i hate this song" really has to do with over-playing it. i mean, i am a huge Queen fan, but really? of all the beautiful songs they've written, you're gonna go with "We Will Rock You" or "We Are The Champions"? i kind of "hate" these songs in a sense that i've grown tired of listening to them, but it has nothing to do with the songs themselves (i love them) and everything to do with the fact that every goddamn speaker even remotely capable of producing sounds has at some point played these songs at least a hundred times.

Yes, playing songs a lot can make one tired of them. I'm no exception there. But that's not a unique condition. In fact, I think that applies to just about any song ever made that was a huge hit. I mean after a while, especially if you listen to top 40 stations, you get tired of hearing the number 1 song every 20 minutes. I mean for crying out loud, give it a rest already.

And Queen is a perfect example when I get bombarded with those songs you mentioned plus "Another One Bites The Dust" when I hardly ever hear truly amazing songs like "I'm In Love With My Car", "39" and even "Killer Queen" which didn't get nearly the airplay it should have. I was a huge Queen fan in the 70s.

So yeah, I get the "normal" progression of hatred of songs in general. But if that's all "Jump" is (played too much) then ho-hum. Nothing new or interesting here. And I doubt that the average music listener, who couldn't tell a Moog from an ARP, cares that the synth riff sounds cheesy.

[Mutant]

How about we stop the hate/love off topic ?

For synth nerds like most of us, Jump is not only a nice old song from when we were young.
It is a great example of how Oberheim synths can sound in a rock band context.

Now back to the topic, which is:
"How do I get Van Halen "Jump" sound?"

[wagtunes]

How about we stop the hate/love off topic ?

For synth nerds like most of us, Jump is not only a nice old song from when we were young.
It is a great example of how Oberheim synths can sound in a rock band context.

Now back to the topic, which is:
"How do I get Van Halen "Jump" sound?"

Get an Oberheim and pull up the preset. Done.

[kelvyn]

OPX-Pro from Sonic Projects has it's 'Famous' bank of presets with all kinds of classic synth sounds including 'Jump'
Sounds very very close to the original.