Live 4 is five time better than Tracktion?

[stale bread]

kobresia i understand what you want to do and that you don't want to use two audio tracks to do it, nuff said,
koorby what vstis are you talking about, I think if you search around it'll be pretty obvious that the magnatude of your experience is unique unto yourself, and as far as getting your head around Live, thats kind of strange as Live and tracktion are probably the most similiar apps in overall concept minus the live session view of course, but by pressing the tab button there by taking you to the arranger view you should be quite comfortable as someone familiar with tracktion. but nillyway i'm not trying to convert anybody just dispell some myths, like i said tracktion will prob be my next purchase.

[kovacs]

A track can only play one clip at a time. And that's the point. The tails and natural decays of clips already playing will be cut short by one played directly after!

@kobresia - sorry I misunderstood your issue, and please know I am not out to "prove you wrong" or anything. But why the issue is a big deal is beyond me. You can route any track to any other track in Live, so you could overlap multiple clips that way and use the original track settings for everything. It's just done a bit differently than in Tracktion - that does not mean it's more difficult. When I started with Tracktion things did not fall into my lap the moment I opened the software - we all take differently to how things work, depending on what we're used to (obviously).

You could even do this in session view by putting the clips on different tracks and offsetting the start point so that one finishes right after the other starts. The routing works the same in both views.

I find Live to be incredible intuitive, and like you, I delved into the arranger view first, being a guitarist first and last. But the incredibly nifty thing about Live is that when you've recorded a guitar riff, you can just drag the clip into session view and drop it on any track, and it will become a loop which you can then warp and mangle (but here a vital shortcoming appears - Live has no trim function so you can't cut away unnecessary space around the loop. But you can use envelopes on it).

Anyway, this way of working with music opens up a compositional workflow which I have never experienced in any other app (I own Reason, FL Studio, Tracktion and have tried Cubase SX and Sonar). It is really different.

Is it worth 5 times Tracktion? Yes. Is it worth owning both Live and Tracktion? Yes, definitely. I like that I can produce a song in Live and then bring it into Tracktion for the yummy Final Mix....

[ancientoak]

Ok then, I'm glad we now seem to understand each other. I see that there are workarounds, they are workarounds nonetheless. I didn't want this point to get this big, but it -is- an issue because it makes for a dent in an otherwise extremely smooth experience. Now it may be wrong for me to -expect- things to work like I'm used to, but I'm sure the people at Ableton just haven't thought of this situation, it isn't so strange to want to have each instrument on its own track. Live is just about the most intuitive, streamlined and fun software product I have ever used (me too!), I could have been overstating when I say "huge fundamental flaw" and that it made me not want to buy it. Maybe I'll try out the workarounds for a while, I'm sure I'll soon get used to it.

[soulata]

Mackie bundles Spike with T and "Mackie" Live.

They could bundle T2 with the same "Mackie" Live, so we could easily upgrade.

That'd stop this x is n-times better than y talk.

K

[stale bread]

glad we're all happy now cause i'm gonna need tracktion help later on , btw webhunter why don't you just set the loop points where you want them in the audio file and then consolitdate it in the arrangerview, that would trim the sample and discard the unwanted saving you from wasting harddrive space.

[kovacs]

btw webhunter why don't you just set the loop points where you want them in the audio file and then consolitdate it in the arrangerview, that would trim the sample and discard the unwanted saving you from wasting harddrive space.

Because I didn't know it was possible. Thanks!