64 and 32-bit hosts forever?

[T-CM11]

That's fair enough. That's why i wrote "if you don't have any ancient plugins". The only thing i'd install a 32-bit version of my DAW (fortunately, many DAW's allow to install 32-bit and 64-bit versions side by side) for these days is Terratec Komplexer. That thing almost sounds too good to catch dust... Almost. Having to install 32-bit versions of my other plugins then would be rather a pain...

I have it too! I run Komplexer in FL Studio 32 bit and Largo (64) in Cubase Pro 9 (as it's pretty close at being a Komplexer replacement - without any extra wavetables)

[fluffy_little_something]

Why I am wondering about all that: if I went back to a 32-bit DAW and used 32-bit plugins in my projects, I would have to replace them if I were forced to switch to a 64-bit DAW later on once the 32-bit version gets axed.

[chk071]

That's fair enough. That's why i wrote "if you don't have any ancient plugins". The only thing i'd install a 32-bit version of my DAW (fortunately, many DAW's allow to install 32-bit and 64-bit versions side by side) for these days is Terratec Komplexer. That thing almost sounds too good to catch dust... Almost. Having to install 32-bit versions of my other plugins then would be rather a pain...

I have it too! I run Komplexer in FL Studio 32 bit and Largo (64) in Cubase Pro 9 (as it's pretty close at being a Komplexer replacement - without any extra wavetables)

Yep. That's also why i don't miss Komplexer that much, because i have Largo. They sound a bit different though, Largo seems to have more top end brilliance, while Komplexer seems to be more muffled, like the older Waldorf synths.

[T-CM11]

while Komplexer seems to be more muffled, like the older Waldorf synths.

Do you mean the Microwave 1? I don't think my XT sounds muffled...

[chk071]

Do you think it sounds as brilliant, and has as much top end as a Blofeld though? IMO, their more recent synths sound brighter. Regardless of whether that is good or not. Some seem to prefer the sound of the old devices.

[T-CM11]

Do you think it sounds as brilliant, and has as much top end as a Blofeld though? IMO, their more recent synths sound brighter. Regardless of whether that is good or not. Some seem to prefer the sound of the old devices.

Bright enough for me, I guess.
I made a demo (drones)... you decide!

Does that sound muffled?

[chk071]

Well, forget the "muffled". I guess the term has a negative meaning for you, and you somehow react to that. The newer Waldorf's are definitely brighter. Which is no wonder, same applies to soft synths. Better anti-aliasing filters, and more bandwidth, because the hardware allows more.

As you own both, compare Largo and Komplexer.

[T-CM11]

Well, forget the "muffled". I guess the term has a negative meaning for you, and you somehow react to that. The newer Waldorf's are definitely brighter. Which is no wonder, same applies to soft synths. Better anti-aliasing filters, and more bandwidth, because the hardware allows more.

As you own both, compare Largo and Komplexer.

No, not necessarily negative... I thought "muffled" meant like a LPF cutting some high frequencies. Maybe my ears are getting old.
I can't compare Largo and Komplexer that well since I've never tried to program same patches on both. And I'm not good at describing sounds in words anyway. Both interfaces have their merits; Komplexer feels "roomier". I have a few wavetables for Komplexer that I miss in Largo.
In general, I'm more familiar with my XT - probably because all those knobs have a bigger "fun factor".

[chk071]

I probably should have explained better what i meant with muffled too. Of course, i don't mean that it sounds like you make music in a tin can. Rather that some of the top end of the newer synths isn't there, and it leads to a more airy sound, while Largo and Blofeld can be more harsh. It's totally up to the listener which he prefers. I can very well understand why some prefer the sound of the older synths. Or the sound of a Roland JP-8k to newer soft synths, which have more top end too, and less aliasing. I mentioned that in some threads about sound quality too. It's really not about all that super anti-aliased oscillator, and brilliant, clean sound. Dirty can very well have its appeal.

I like the sounds in your demo BTW.

[yellowmix]

It's not super representative, at least outside gamer circles, but, the Steam hardware survey stats show that above 50 % of Steam users use Windows 10 64-bit, while a mere 0,63 % use Windows 10 32-bit...

The Steam survey is completely unrepresentative of machines that require 32-bit Windows. Many of those machines aren't even connected to a network, much less playing games. They're in secure facilities, running long-term, mission-critical systems that can't be replaced or won't ever be replaced. There are machines bought ages ago and any new monies aren't legally earmarked for upgrades. Think developing areas that got hand-me-downs as well.

One other thing about 32-bit Windows is that it can run 16-bit applications! 64-bit Windows won't. So Microsoft's legacy support is extremely deep. The other option is to run 64-bit Windows with a virtualized 32-bit Windows inside, but again, we're talking situations where there is no upgrade money. It's kinda disheartening to see some people lambasting Microsoft for a generous thing they don't have to do.

I mean, there are auto manufacturers making OEM parts for vehicles older than Windows 3.1, in spite of a vibrant aftermarket. There is no plug-n-play Windows replacement. But neither are preventing other people from getting the latest and greatest.

[Tappistry]

Because Microsoft has excellent legacy support and some places are stuck with 32-bit processors and apps for whatever reason.

Lots of industry still has ancient hardware. In fact, COM ports are still desirable in mission critical systems.

The NHS still uses WinXP

Glad to hear one of the largest entities of healthcare delivery in the world still uses an operating system that's been deprecated for almost 4 years.

An especially wonderful idea considering the massive number of ransomware attacks on healthcare entities that continue to occur. Do these cheapskates/luddites really need to have a colossal security failure to light a fire under their asses to finally get with the times? This shit makes me angry.

Sorry, I'll calm down now.

[AnX]

Security issuses aside, if it works why change it? I used XP for 7 years, and ive been on Win7 for 5 years. I prob wont 'upgrade' till this pc dies. I havent had any OS related problems with my music software, and havent seen anything in Win8/10 that i need or looks useful.

[Tappistry]

Security issuses aside, if it works why change it? I used XP for 7 years, and ive been on Win7 for 5 years. I prob wont 'upgrade' till this pc dies. I havent had any OS related problems with my music software, and havent seen anything in Win8/10 that i need or looks useful.

This is a fine attitude to have if that computer never communicates with the internet.

[chk071]

It's not super representative, at least outside gamer circles, but, the Steam hardware survey stats show that above 50 % of Steam users use Windows 10 64-bit, while a mere 0,63 % use Windows 10 32-bit...

The Steam survey is completely unrepresentative of machines that require 32-bit Windows. Many of those machines aren't even connected to a network, much less playing games. They're in secure facilities, running long-term, mission-critical systems that can't be replaced or won't ever be replaced. There are machines bought ages ago and any new monies aren't legally earmarked for upgrades. Think developing areas that got hand-me-downs as well.

One other thing about 32-bit Windows is that it can run 16-bit applications! 64-bit Windows won't. So Microsoft's legacy support is extremely deep. The other option is to run 64-bit Windows with a virtualized 32-bit Windows inside, but again, we're talking situations where there is no upgrade money. It's kinda disheartening to see some people lambasting Microsoft for a generous thing they don't have to do.

I mean, there are auto manufacturers making OEM parts for vehicles older than Windows 3.1, in spite of a vibrant aftermarket. There is no plug-n-play Windows replacement. But neither are preventing other people from getting the latest and greatest.

I'll take a wild guess: 2 or 3 % of computers, or table PC's run Windows 10 32-bit, the rest 64-bit Windows 10. Really, it's not very common. Not at all.

The last time i had to deal with a 16-bit installer was the discontinued (in 1998) Propellerhead Rebirth (which is now unavailable again). That was the only time i had to install something using a custom installer someone made.

[T-CM11]

I'll take a wild guess: 2 or 3 % of computers, or table PC's run Windows 10 32-bit, the rest 64-bit Windows 10. Really, it's not very common. Not at all.

Relative minorities can be a lot of people.