Zebra3 Info

[R0bins0n]

Hi

Any idea of an approximate release date for a zebra 2 upgrade, or even the release of Zebra 3?

Zebra 3 summer 2018?
Zebra 2.8 Christmas 2017?


thanks

[analogo13]

Any idea of an approximate release date for a zebra 2 upgrade, or even the release of Zebra 3?

Zebra 2.8 Christmas 2017?

I hope for Urs!!

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[Urs]

Hi

Any idea of an approximate release date for a zebra 2 upgrade, or even the release of Zebra 3?

Zebra 3 summer 2018?
Zebra 2.8 Christmas 2017?


thanks

That could sound about right. Once we do Repro 1.1 public beta our focus will shift to the remaining niggles in Zebra 2.8 again. Should be done before x-mas.

Zebra 3.0 is maturing conceptually and bits and pieces are being coded. The new voicing scheme is the one from Repro-5, the new waveform editor is coming along nicely, the physical modeling side is in good hands (but we got plenty of new ideas from the modular world) and so on and so forth. It's basically sit down and code through it. We'll soon set up a skeleton which we then just need to add to as things get ready.

I certainly wish to demonstrate something substantial during Superbooth 2018 in May. Good thing about Zebra is, it's an incremental concept. Once we have an oscillator close to its final stage going we can start involving people. It's not like Diva where we worked for two years before we had anything to show.

[recursive one]

I still don't quite understand what Zebra 3 is going to be - an upgrade to Zebra 2 or a whole new synth with simiar feature set but new sound engine. People are talking about adding new modulators to Zebra - as if it doesn't have enough of them already - but for me it's about the core sound character. Bazille, Repro and Diva are aguably the best sounding software synths on the market - in terms of character, expressiveness and sonic fidelity, should there be a synth having the same qualities in its sound and the feature set of Zebra it could become literally my dream synth.

I think it was already said that there are going to be some changes in the sound engine, but I'm curious whether there may be some specific info available - lite "the filters will be this and that, the oscillators will be this and whatnot, etc"

[EvilDragon]

Whole new synth basically, with some new concepts.

[Urs]

for me it's about the core sound character

For me too. We can't make it backward compatible though, due to all the rewritten modules and changes.

Improved editors, improved sound quality, improved underlying concepts. New synth.

[recursive one]

for me it's about the core sound character

For me too. We can't make it backward compatible though, due to all the rewritten modules and changes.

Improved editors, improved sound quality, improved underlying concepts. New synth.

That's great

I personally don't care about backwards compatibility - though I understand that this may be important for people who have bought lots of presets.

[Urs]

for me it's about the core sound character

For me too. We can't make it backward compatible though, due to all the rewritten modules and changes.

Improved editors, improved sound quality, improved underlying concepts. New synth.

That's great

I personally don't care about backwards compatibility - though I understand that this may be important for people who have bought lots of presets.

We'll do like Synapse Audio die with Dune 1 & 2. We'll keep a legacy version of Zebra2 alive with merged in goodies at an unbeatable price tag. Details will be worked out till then, we'll have to have a lot of discussions and decisions to make.

[analogo13]

Urs, how can you imagine that with the new preset browser for Zebra 2.8? Is it possible to choose a gradation for each preset, from good (favorite) to bad?

Do the other plugins also get the new preset browser?

[Urs]

Urs, how can you imagine that with the new preset browser for Zebra 2.8? Is it possible to choose a gradation for each preset, from good (favorite) to bad?

Do the other plugins also get the new preset browser?

All plug-ins will subsequently be updated with the new browser, whenever they get an update. Not all of them will have the actual tagging feature, but all of them will have the 8 favourite colours, search based on author, name, description and usage field. There's also still the "mark as Junk" function, and we have finally implemented a preset trash can.

The tagging feature will most likely be in Diva and Hive rather soon after Repro (all three have or will have fully tagged factory soundbanks). Zebra 2.8 won't get it because we can not imagine tagging thousands of presets before we release it. Zebra is therefore also our test case for "how does the preset browser do when there are no tags?". Good thing though, the search functionality is really great.

[spunkmuffin]

Big thumbs up to everything Urs has said on this page...yay we're up to page 182!

[markcohn]

Urs, how can you imagine that with the new preset browser for Zebra 2.8? Is it possible to choose a gradation for each preset, from good (favorite) to bad?

Do the other plugins also get the new preset browser?

All plug-ins will subsequently be updated with the new browser, whenever they get an update. Not all of them will have the actual tagging feature, but all of them will have the 8 favourite colours, search based on author, name, description and usage field. There's also still the "mark as Junk" function, and we have finally implemented a preset trash can.

The tagging feature will most likely be in Diva and Hive rather soon after Repro (all three have or will have fully tagged factory soundbanks). Zebra 2.8 won't get it because we can not imagine tagging thousands of presets before we release it. Zebra is therefore also our test case for "how does the preset browser do when there are no tags?". Good thing though, the search functionality is really great.

I have a question, as I've been seeing all the posts on what a large overhaul the preset browser is getting for Zebra 2.8, Repro-5, et al. I've been getting my live rig together, and currently, I've replaced almost all plugins I'm using with Zebra2, Diva, and Hive. I am DYING to add the Repro-5 to my kit Right now, your plugins have the most efficient CPU usage and the current preset browser works great for my workflow, compared to most of my other plugins. I understand there are new features maybe some other people want, and that's all good. I'm just hoping the current way things work won't get somehow broken or change too much, if I like the current way. I'm using a program called GigPerformer for my rig, and it's great, but still a bit new and updated regularly.

I've had to ditch most of my Arturia plugs, because they use a fair amount of CPU even if they are not being played, but the bigger issue is that when I load a patch, they often load their INITIAL patch, instead of the state they were saved in, so I can't rely on them for live use. I think Arturia made improvements going from v4 to v5, but to be honest, I still really HATE the way they have it set up. All the U-he plug ins work great, and as expected. I'm just hoping this remains the case, after everything seems like it will completely change in the new browser. So, after the long backstory, my question is, is the underlying core functionality of how the browser works with host program changes, and the way it works simply with folders in the finder going to drastically change? Thank you!

[jme-audio]

I had some other issues with Arturia plugins. I have to say there was a time it was hard to get support from Arturia, but I think that has changed and at least the issues I had reported have been fixed. And they gave me a plugin for free because it took very long (of course until a bug is fixed can take long with other developers too). I can only recommend to get in touch with them, so they can fix this. Maybe they don't even know about it. Also you can get in touch with the devs of GigPerformer, so they can analyze why these plugins are not working right in their host. Maybe GigPerformer can improve overall plugin compatibility with your help. Not saying that it's GigPerformers fault, but I know about a open source DAW that needed several rewrites on the VST host code until "everything" was fine.

Nobody can predict if a major change or a minor change or a bug might result in problems with GigPerformer. But if that would happen, pretty sure u-he will be happy to fix it.

[Urs]

So, after the long backstory, my question is, is the underlying core functionality of how the browser works with host program changes, and the way it works simply with folders in the finder going to drastically change? Thank you!

Folders, MIDI Programs, the default.h2p preset, "reveal in Finder" etc. are all still there. The Search interface, tagging etc. are built on top of that.

While the new browser is certainly a substantial improvement, it's not a complete change. It doesn't even deploy every feature known to man. You can ignore most of it and just keep doing as you did, but once you type something into the search bar and press enter, you know what you've been missing all those years.

[analogo13]

All plug-ins will subsequently be updated with the new browser, whenever they get an update. Not all of them will have the actual tagging feature, but all of them will have the 8 favourite colours, search based on author, name, description and usage field. There's also still the "mark as Junk" function, and we have finally implemented a preset trash can.

The tagging feature will most likely be in Diva and Hive rather soon after Repro (all three have or will have fully tagged factory soundbanks). Zebra 2.8 won't get it because we can not imagine tagging thousands of presets before we release it. Zebra is therefore also our test case for "how does the preset browser do when there are no tags?". Good thing though, the search functionality is really great.

Urs, is the respective favorite color in each preset file coded or encrypted, so you can easily make a backup of all the presets, for example with the Windows Explorer, and not to lose the favorite color?