Albleton Live 10 overpriced?

[david.beholder]

and the full price of Logic is still less than the upgrade price for Live...

Good point!

If you buy the dongle

+1 and dongle is way more expensive than software itself.

[SLiC]

These are the Bitwig updates updates since February, all for 160 quid (and still more free updates to come...)

https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio ... dio-2.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/bitwig-studio-2_1.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/2_2-out-now

That to me represents great value.

[rod_zero]

These are the Bitwig updates updates since February, all for 160 quid (and still more free updates to come...)

https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio ... dio-2.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/bitwig-studio-2_1.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/2_2-out-now

That to me represents great value.

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

[SLiC]

These are the Bitwig updates updates since February, all for 160 quid (and still more free updates to come...)

https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio ... dio-2.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/bitwig-studio-2_1.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/2_2-out-now

That to me represents great value.

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

More than happy to pay that again if we get as much cool stuff again, but you don’t have to pay again until you are ready to upgrade again (it still works, you just stop getting the free upgrades, so you could just upgrade every 2 or 3 years if you like....Bitwigs job is to temp you with something you realy want.....

[david.beholder]

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

More than happy to pay that again if we get as much cool stuff again, but you don’t have to pay again until you are ready to upgrade again (it still works, you just stop getting the free upgrades

$200 once in 4 years is 4 times better value than $200 per year, right?
Live upgrades are also voluntary i.e. no pressure from Ableton on version switching.

I see that you just happy to pay to Bitwig rather than anything else. How relevant is it to Live 10 price discussion? You want Ableton to increase upgrade to 4*$200?

On October 25, 2012, Ableton hosted a preview event for Live 9. So it's not 4 but 5 years ago.

[jacqueslacouth]

and the full price of Logic is still less than the upgrade price for Live...

Good point!

If you buy the dongle

+1 and dongle is way more expensive than software itself.

I see this a lot....Does windows now run on a piece of paper or something? You still need a computer to run a Windows based DAW....sure, Macs are on the pricey side, but there are plenty of equally priced PCs (or dongles if you prefer)

[elxsound]

These are the Bitwig updates updates since February, all for 160 quid (and still more free updates to come...)

https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio ... dio-2.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/bitwig-studio-2_1.html
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/2_2-out-now

That to me represents great value.

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

And another, and another, and another, and another...

Plus lets not forget their promises to accommodate users with upgrades should there be compatibility issues with OS upgrades. That's going to work out so well for them. I don't see that one backfiring at all.

[david.beholder]

I see this a lot....Does windows now run on a piece of paper or something? You still need a computer to run a Windows based DAW....sure, Macs are on the pricey side, but there are plenty of equally priced PCs (or dongles if you prefer)

Most of daws run on both Win and Mac, some also run on Linux. Logic is the only major daw that gives NO CHOICE of platform. That's why it requires a dongle.

It's 2017 but you still have windows vs mac holy war in your mind.

[pdxindy]

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

More than happy to pay that again if we get as much cool stuff again, but you don’t have to pay again until you are ready to upgrade again (it still works, you just stop getting the free upgrades

$200 once in 4 years is 4 times better value than $200 per year, right?
Live upgrades are also voluntary i.e. no pressure from Ableton on version switching.

I see that you just happy to pay to Bitwig rather than anything else. How relevant is it to Live 10 price discussion? You want Ableton to increase upgrade to 4*$200?

On October 25, 2012, Ableton hosted a preview event for Live 9. So it's not 4 but 5 years ago.

And in that 4-5 years, Bitwig came out, and has been improved significantly since... and it has brought many of the things I wanted to see in Live (that still are not there in Live 10)

Oh, and it is not $200 once in 4 years... much of the development of Live in those 4 years has surrounded Push... so include the cost of Push in that... twice if you want to be able to make use of all the functionality just being added in Live 10 (which means over an additional $1000)... and the Live 10 suite upgrade from Live 9 suite is $300 with the intro discount at $240

[antic604]

Yes, it's expensive but I already pre-ordered 10 Suite.

They've ticked almost all of the items off of my wishlist, except for linked / alias clips.

[rod_zero]

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

More than happy to pay that again if we get as much cool stuff again, but you don’t have to pay again until you are ready to upgrade again (it still works, you just stop getting the free upgrades

$200 once in 4 years is 4 times better value than $200 per year, right?
Live upgrades are also voluntary i.e. no pressure from Ableton on version switching.

I see that you just happy to pay to Bitwig rather than anything else. How relevant is it to Live 10 price discussion? You want Ableton to increase upgrade to 4*$200?

On October 25, 2012, Ableton hosted a preview event for Live 9. So it's not 4 but 5 years ago.

And in that 4-5 years, Bitwig came out, and has been improved significantly since... and it has brought many of the things I wanted to see in Live (that still are not there in Live 10)

Oh, and it is not $200 once in 4 years... much of the development of Live in those 4 years has surrounded Push... so include the cost of Push in that... twice if you want to be able to make use of all the functionality just being added in Live 10 (which means over an additional $1000)... and the Live 10 suite upgrade from Live 9 suite is $300 with the intro discount at $240

LOL I know you are serious but that is simply ridiculous. And even if so.. you got an excellent controller and tight integration.

I personally think Bitwig value proposition is harder to swallow, but if it ig good and makes your music making happy I can't argue against that. Nevertheless BW is now more expensive if you want to stay up to date, with less content (not everyone cares I know) and still behind in some stuff (Audio stretching).

I do envy BW modulation system (even if max is more integrated it doesn't provide as nice GUI as BW) and hybrid tracks.

[fmr]

I see this a lot....Does windows now run on a piece of paper or something? You still need a computer to run a Windows based DAW....sure, Macs are on the pricey side, but there are plenty of equally priced PCs (or dongles if you prefer)

But an equally priced PC will have like twice the power, or more - or you can buy an equally spec'ed PC for half the price (or less)... and be able to expand it, or exchange the CPU, in a couple of years, and have it "updated" for a small fraction of the price.

[mholloway]

redacted.

[SLiC]

And that is all for one year just, next year be ready for another 169

More than happy to pay that again if we get as much cool stuff again, but you don’t have to pay again until you are ready to upgrade again (it still works, you just stop getting the free upgrades

$200 once in 4 years is 4 times better value than $200 per year, right?
Live upgrades are also voluntary i.e. no pressure from Ableton on version switching.

I see that you just happy to pay to Bitwig rather than anything else. How relevant is it to Live 10 price discussion? You want Ableton to increase upgrade to 4*$200?

On October 25, 2012, Ableton hosted a preview event for Live 9. So it's not 4 but 5 years ago.

The discussion is relevant to me as I own Live 9 suite as well as Bitwig Studio.

The value of an update is not connected to how often the updates are published, it is purely based on the content you get for the money. Lives isn’t cheaper to update, it just isn’t updated as often as other DAWs, personally I think that’s a bad thing. It’s not about cost of ownership, it’s about if you feel you are getting value for what you are being asked to pay.

[Ghostwave]

The value of an update is not connected to how often the updates are published, it is purely based on the content you get for the money.

Not the content you get, the content you're going to use. While it's nice to get options, why pay a lot of money for stuff you might never use?