Please forgive my stupidity Jacques ... I did actually write it "donglejacqueslacouth wrote: I just find the dongle reference stupid.
" to avoid being confrontational. No harm meant.Albleton Live 10 overpriced?
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37261 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839 - KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
I find gravity stupid so what? Dongle is describing phenomenon really well. Logic was cross platform back in the day, Alchemy was cross platfrom/cross format back in the day etc.jacqueslacouth wrote:Actually, not! I'm pretty close to going back to a windows machine myself, I just find the dongle reference stupid.david.beholder wrote:It's 2017 but you still have windows vs mac holy war in your mind.
Murderous duck!
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- KVRAF
- 26927 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Regardless of whether something is cross platform, it still needs a dongle (computer)... so no, it is not describing the phenomena well at all.david.beholder wrote:I find gravity stupid so what? Dongle is describing phenomenon really well. Logic was cross platform back in the day, Alchemy was cross platfrom/cross format back in the day etc.jacqueslacouth wrote:Actually, not! I'm pretty close to going back to a windows machine myself, I just find the dongle reference stupid.david.beholder wrote:It's 2017 but you still have windows vs mac holy war in your mind.
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- KVRist
- 43 posts since 29 Aug, 2015
Yes, overpriced. I'll upgrade anyway, but overpriced.
Seems to me they're just playing catch up with the basic functionality and usability of other DAWs (particularly FL Studio) and they didn't even manage to add comping. On the plus side, there are some effects you likely already have covered with 3rd party plugs, and a knockoff version of Serum(?)
I can't help feeling that other DAWs introduce features like these as incremental, between-version updates, and for free. It's mostly usability and 'quality of life' stuff which is nice but shouldn't constitute a major version release.
I mean, what the hell have they been doing for the past 4+ years? My bet is that they've devoted entirely too much time to developing Push (with Push 3 surely coming soon) and in the process have forgotten that if they don't properly develop their software offering, no one will use their awkward, prohibitively expensive hardware anyway.
They're really putting themselves in danger with such a weak update, too. FL Studio is being developed like weed in a growhouse (with free lifetime updates, too) and Logic (for instance) offers pretty much the entire feature set of Live at a quarter of the price.
I love Live, but this is ridiculous. Even the UI has barely been improved. I don't understand their gameplan. I am disappointed.
Seems to me they're just playing catch up with the basic functionality and usability of other DAWs (particularly FL Studio) and they didn't even manage to add comping. On the plus side, there are some effects you likely already have covered with 3rd party plugs, and a knockoff version of Serum(?)
I can't help feeling that other DAWs introduce features like these as incremental, between-version updates, and for free. It's mostly usability and 'quality of life' stuff which is nice but shouldn't constitute a major version release.
I mean, what the hell have they been doing for the past 4+ years? My bet is that they've devoted entirely too much time to developing Push (with Push 3 surely coming soon) and in the process have forgotten that if they don't properly develop their software offering, no one will use their awkward, prohibitively expensive hardware anyway.
They're really putting themselves in danger with such a weak update, too. FL Studio is being developed like weed in a growhouse (with free lifetime updates, too) and Logic (for instance) offers pretty much the entire feature set of Live at a quarter of the price.
I love Live, but this is ridiculous. Even the UI has barely been improved. I don't understand their gameplan. I am disappointed.
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- Banned
- 2238 posts since 19 Dec, 2014
Upgraded from Suite 8 -> Suite 9 + Suite 10 .... for 199 euro.
Seems pretty good value to me, but of course waiting until now to upgrade to LIVE 9 to reap the benefit of LIVE 10 being included makes me and others like me a bit of an outlier, not to mention I could not repeat this type of 2-for-1 strategy unless I did not upgrade again until the announcement of LIVE 12 or higher...
So stepping out of my own situation, I can agree that as-is, the upgrade price from Suite to Suite is pretty expensive ... over-priced ? that's subjective. but certainly expensive.
I find these kind of 'content heavy' upgrades somewhat lacklustre ... nice to have a bunch of samples, sure, why not ... i rarely use them though, despite the fact i do enjoy sample mangling - I just prefer to 'roll my own'. What really gets my juices flowing in an upgrade is always updates to the core software, or software instrument/fx additions. It's for this reason I haven't updated Komplete in ages.
I nearly bought an upgrade to LIVE 9 several times though, it was still in my shopping cart from about a year ago when I logged in to my account today ... missing out on all the M4L development going on for LIVE 9 only was killing me.
Seems pretty good value to me, but of course waiting until now to upgrade to LIVE 9 to reap the benefit of LIVE 10 being included makes me and others like me a bit of an outlier, not to mention I could not repeat this type of 2-for-1 strategy unless I did not upgrade again until the announcement of LIVE 12 or higher...
So stepping out of my own situation, I can agree that as-is, the upgrade price from Suite to Suite is pretty expensive ... over-priced ? that's subjective. but certainly expensive.
I find these kind of 'content heavy' upgrades somewhat lacklustre ... nice to have a bunch of samples, sure, why not ... i rarely use them though, despite the fact i do enjoy sample mangling - I just prefer to 'roll my own'. What really gets my juices flowing in an upgrade is always updates to the core software, or software instrument/fx additions. It's for this reason I haven't updated Komplete in ages.
I nearly bought an upgrade to LIVE 9 several times though, it was still in my shopping cart from about a year ago when I logged in to my account today ... missing out on all the M4L development going on for LIVE 9 only was killing me.
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
Yeah, that's a decent deal alright mate.Daags wrote:Upgraded from Suite 8 -> Suite 9 + Suite 10 .... for 199 euro.
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. 
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
- KVRian
- 1149 posts since 18 Nov, 2004
No harm inflictedthecontrolcentre wrote:Please forgive my stupidity Jacques ... I did actually write it "donglejacqueslacouth wrote: I just find the dongle reference stupid.
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839
- KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
My pencil doesn't need computer to write it also can operate on various surfaces so it's truly cross-platform.pdxindy wrote: Regardless of whether something is cross platform, it still needs a dongle (computer)... so no, it is not describing the phenomena well at all.
Murderous duck!
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- KVRAF
- 26927 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
the pencil is not cross-platform... it is platform-freedavid.beholder wrote:My pencil doesn't need computer to write it also can operate on various surfaces so it's truly cross-platform.pdxindy wrote: Regardless of whether something is cross platform, it still needs a dongle (computer)... so no, it is not describing the phenomena well at all.
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839
- KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
pdxindy wrote: the pencil is not cross-platform... it is platform-free
WRONG. It literally requires platform (from French plateforme ‘ground plan,’ literally ‘flat shape.’).Murderous duck!
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- KVRAF
- 26927 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
it writes just fine on many curved and upright surfaces...david.beholder wrote:pdxindy wrote: the pencil is not cross-platform... it is platform-free
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839
- KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
They are topologically indifferent.pdxindy wrote:it writes just fine on many curved and upright surfaces...david.beholder wrote:pdxindy wrote: the pencil is not cross-platform... it is platform-free
Murderous duck!
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- KVRian
- 650 posts since 7 Oct, 2006
Well, the price for the update is steep - but with the push enhancements, capture (ableton welcome to the party 2 decades late - but finally ), midi multi-edit and performance improvements for m4l - this update seems really interesting.
and with Live9 they added quite some features over the last 4 years IMHO.
just my 2 cents
best
), midi multi-edit and performance improvements for m4l - this update seems really interesting.and with Live9 they added quite some features over the last 4 years IMHO.
just my 2 cents
best