Albleton Live 10 overpriced?

[ghettosynth]

Upgraded from Suite 8 -> Suite 9 + Suite 10 .... for 199 euro.

Seems pretty good value to me, but of course waiting until now to upgrade to LIVE 9 to reap the benefit of LIVE 10 being included makes me and others like me a bit of an outlier, not to mention I could not repeat this type of 2-for-1 strategy unless I did not upgrade again until the announcement of LIVE 12 or higher...

I would imagine for those users on live 8 who never purchased MFL the upgrade is quite the bargain. I'm not sure whether I'll bother yet, I don't really care about the synth TBH, but I have no regrets about live 9 and push. Since I don't have a push 2, the new enhancements there don't mean much to me.

What might make all the difference in the world though is how "built in" MFL actually is. What I'll probably do is skip the release party and wait for a sale, perhaps even push 3.

[pekbro]

From what I've seen of Live 10 so far, there is nothing to indicate users on standard with the M4L addon (or any other addon) should not be able to continue as they have on Live 10 standard. The upgrade to the suite, is only attractive if you plan on upgrading to the suite at some point. The current deal is an opportunity to save quite a lot in that case. If you still don't want everything, not much is going to change about your options to purchase addons separately I suspect.

[tooneba]

Live 10, M4L finally integrated!

• Standard - 0 device included
• Suite - Official 10 device included

Well, okay.....

[topaz]

Edit, no it's not worth it and Ableton seems to have simply added features that most daws already had.

They messed up the fonts so many users on large displays are stuffed.

And basically charge as much for an upgrade as many daws cost.

My money's on cubase 9.5 now.

Retiring live and push to the messing about corner.

[Mathematics]

Overpriced? It depends on who's buying or upgrading. I'm assuming everyone is a Suite owner already. So, from:

1-8 to 10 without owning good 3rd party plugins...totally worth it because it's got plugins that would normally cost you hundreds to acquire from 3rd party developers.

9 to 10 without owning good 3rd party plugins, it's still about $100 too much in my opinion because the added features are not really ground breaking, but it's worth it if you were interested in sound design.

9 to 10 but own a giant library of 3rd party synths and plugins, there's no need to upgrade unless you find value in the little workflow nuances they added like the ability to group within a group. If those are worth $300 retail to you...have at it.

Nothing to 10...if you're a newbie just breaking into digital music...it's a no brainer...totally totally worth it, but you'll quickly find that 3rd party plugins do a much better job and you'll quickly be looking to get those with more experience practicing with the basic tools Live 10 has. In fact, Live 10 is trying to mimic some well-established plugins with their own knock-off versions.

Sorry to sound negative but I will say that they added a "little" twist to them. Not a full twist, just a little one. The morphing wavetable looks like the FFT output from a module MatLab. That's an example of a baby twist...not a full one...just a baby one. LOL

That's my $0.02, so take it with a grain of salt.

[J-909]

I think it's a very expensive update and only introduces a few changes (some of them very expected for, in my case the lack of them made me choose Bitwig) but I don't see a major update de facto.

[Gamma-UT]

I haven't looked in detail because the new version doesn't introduce anything I actually wanted. But the Suite 9 to Suite 10 looks expensive as a one-off hit, though it works out less than doing Cubase upgrades or what the Bitwig sub would have been over the same period of time. So, maybe a touch of sticker shock there.

[anttimaatteri]

imo yes a bit overpriced. but i hope for a better than 20%-sale sooner or later for live suite owners.
so far the update is nice, but its more like a version 9.95 predecessor for an upcoming big live 10 version.

so far i saw 4-5 feature which are nice to have, but not like oh shit i need that to get rid of some nerve-wrecking workflows. new instruments and effects included, vector gfx, tablet support etc...

m4l integration,multi-clip edit, capture (imo the best feature), note change (! see: nerve-wreckig^^) is still not enough to get my 200-250bucksout of the pocket.

for 150 it would be almost a nobrainer.
200-250 MAYBE if there is a really nice deal with a cool plug-in developer (for example u-he ;D)

[antic604]

I haven't looked in detail because the new version doesn't introduce anything I actually wanted.

Logic? How does it work?

Actually, the most important workflow enhancements are those mentioned in fine print at the bottom of the announcement page, because Ableton was ashamed to only have introduced them now... Wavetable & Echo are only cover-ups

[Gamma-UT]

I haven't looked in detail because the new version doesn't introduce anything I actually wanted.

Logic? How does it work?

Actually, the most important workflow enhancements are those mentioned in fine print at the bottom of the announcement page, because Ableton was ashamed to only have introduced them now... Wavetable & Echo are only cover-ups

If you can find support for MPE or polyphonic AT in the fine print let me know. Or maybe your psychic skills can tell me which features I wanted that I missed.

I meant I haven't looked in detail at things like the wavetable synth as I already have several and really don't feel I need another. Ditto Echo. Ditto Pedal.

See? Logic is easy when you know how.

[antic604]

If you can find support for MPE or polyphonic AT in the fine print let me know. Or maybe your psychic skills can tell me which features I wanted that I missed.

I meant I haven't looked in detail at things like the wavetable synth as I already have several and really don't feel I need another. Ditto Echo. Ditto Pedal.

See? Logic is easy when you know how.

Well, if you expect us to be psychics, then indeed logic is not your strong suit.
Be more precise and you'll be spared comments like mine.
Peace

[Gamma-UT]

Well, if you expect us to be psychics, then indeed logic is not your strong suit.
Be more precise and you'll be spared comments like mine.
Peace

Or maybe you can avoid jumping to conclusions. You could have asked which features I thought were missing. Instead, you chose to make assumptions.

[braai]

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[Winstontaneous]

Will you nerds be nice to each other, please?

You only have 11 posts, I see...here at KVR, what you suggest is just not a viable option.

I find all the new features interesting and will probably go for pre-release sale, though the lack of comping and some better way of exporting individual track stems is frustrating. After using Reaper, Logic, Reason, Sonar, Tracktion & Bitwig, Live is the DAW I hate the least so I'm sticking with it.

[braai]

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