KVR Audio

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:39 pm

plexuss wrote:
Winstontaneous wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Bought without demoing, now check this out...
So, it works great on Cage's 4'33"?
I tried it on 4'33" and didnt hear any difference.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Is speech room the dynamic eq addition?

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:33 pm

I must be the only one who doesn't like the sound this thing has. A friend bought it some time ago and made me aware of it, we both are seeking for maximum sound quality. She didn't used it much and didn't know if she could recommend it, so now I demoed it. I couldn't get a good sounding setting with it. Everything started to get a bit 'smeared' and liveless. You can make some radical edits with it but I can get there with other tools too and in higher sound quality (Sonnox, TDR, Zynaptiq etc.). What frei:raum does to high frequencies and the overall sound signature is not to my liking.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:31 pm

dreamvoid wrote:I must be the only one who doesn't like the sound this thing has. A friend bought it some time ago and made me aware of it, we both are seeking for maximum sound quality. She didn't used it much and didn't know if she could recommend it, so now I demoed it. I couldn't get a good sounding setting with it. Everything started to get a bit 'smeared' and liveless. You can make some radical edits with it but I can get there with other tools too and in higher sound quality (Sonnox, TDR, Zynaptiq etc.). What frei:raum does to high frequencies and the overall sound signature is not to my liking.

It depends what you are using it for and on. What are you using it for and on?

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:49 pm

plexuss wrote: It depends what you are using it for and on. What are you using it for and on?

I tried it on drum grooves and final stereo mixdowns done by myself. It shouldn't "depend" with a good tool when it comes to general sound quality. Monitoring was done thru ADAM S3A with a high end DAC. My feeling is that it even does a little something in 'default'. Do a plug in (real) bypass with your DAW and listen carefully. But at least when it comes to processing frei:raum starts to cover a veil to the audio - it does heavy processing but not in a way I would describe as clarity. I wasn't biased towards this tool as I would have welcomed something to speed up workflows.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:25 pm

dreamvoid wrote:
plexuss wrote: It depends what you are using it for and on. What are you using it for and on?
I tried it on drum grooves and final stereo mixdowns done by myself. It shouldn't "depend" with a good tool when it comes to general sound quality. Monitoring was done thru ADAM S3A with a high end DAC. My feeling is that it even does a little something in 'default'. Do a plug in (real) bypass with your DAW and listen carefully. But at least when it comes to processing frei:raum starts to cover a veil to the audio - it does heavy processing but not in a way I would describe as clarity. I wasn't biased towards this tool as I would have welcomed something to speed up workflows.

interesting, my room is sadly not well to judge something like this, i would be interested in more opinions!

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:54 pm

plexuss wrote:
Winstontaneous wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Bought without demoing, now check this out...
So, it works great on Cage's 4'33"?
I tried it on 4'33" and didnt hear any difference.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:51 pm

Did an Ozone 8 remaster. Still silent but different. More real, less fake.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:53 pm

Fleer wrote:Did an Ozone 8 remaster. Still silent but different. More real, less fake.

which is more fake, freiraum or ozone?

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:54 pm

Talking about Cage's 4'33".
Frei:raum is real alright. Surreal even. Beats iZotope anytime for me.

yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:01 am

dreamvoid wrote:My feeling is that it even does a little something in 'default'.

I did a phase inversion with frei:reum and it summed to zero.

Obvious561 · Post by **Obvious561** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:04 am

After trying it, this plugin is really awesome.

LGK_Dude · Post by **LGK_Dude** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:29 am

For those who own it, do you need to be on the internet to use it? It seems to check license information online when loading the trial, and I normally work with networked sample computers with take up my Ethernet ports = no online ability. Does it have to call home everytime, when registered, or is this just for the demo?

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:38 am

yellowmix wrote:
dreamvoid wrote:My feeling is that it even does a little something in 'default'.
I did a phase inversion with frei:reum and it summed to zero.

Good one, then it must be my imagination. Thank you.

Edit: I just tried it for myself and frei:raum doesn't null ... will post screenshots in a following post

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:15 am

yellowmix wrote:
dreamvoid wrote:My feeling is that it even does a little something in 'default'.
I did a phase inversion with frei:reum and it summed to zero.

You're wrong as it seems, it doesn't null. I just checked it with a white noise sample and some grooves. On my flux analyser I can see always something going on ...

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frei:raum - Magic EQ?