Wusiks Spam Practices are Unacceptable

[samsam]

BFG# as a mental health professional is a scary thought. Shameful vicarious diagnosis.

[adventurepants]

[mod edit]
Now, I apologize for the SPAM. Yeah, a desperate attempt on using a new software on my server, and it failed badly. No unsubscribe link and just sent to all emails, ignoring the ones I already marked as not-to-send. Yeah, I should have deleted those. Most I did. But some people purchased again or got the free W8000 deal last month and got back on the database. Anyway, sorry for that.

And, again, go fuc* yourself BBG. I'm not a monster. Just a small guy trying to get by...

And thanks for those who supports me. And for those still complaining about the SPAM, come'on, is just email. It was a mistake, I apologize for that. It was not the first time I have done this, I know, that sucks. But the problem is that the companies I was using, two companies actually, were asking more money to send emails to the lists I had, which were already opt-in. I tried to merge stuff out but failed... heck, is impressive to see the big babies complaining about something so trivial. But, I'm very used on getting SPAM from other BIG companies anyway, won't say the names. And everyday I get 4 calls from my local mobile asking me to get something... and yeah, I
did message people on Facebook, but it was just a month that I did that, and only for those who got Wusik 8000 FREE, so get over it...

If in the end I'm wrong, I still don't care, as no one is living my life and no one knows the crap I have to face everyday. Mistakes WILL BE MADE, get over it...

Best Regards, WilliamK

Can it with the sob story mate. Everyone has their cross to bear.

You run your business unethically and you have lied to me about removing me from your spam lists, several times over several years. Im assuming you also on sell my personal and credit card details at this point as you simply cannot be trusted.

This isnt one email. This is over a hundred emails over several years, after you have swore to me that you have removed me from your mailing lists.

Any comment from you that doesnt specifically address what you are doing right now to remedy this is irrelevant.

Heres some emails to jog your memory.
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2010



HOLY f**king SHIT STOP SENDING ME SPAM.


-----Original Message-----
From: support@wusik.com [mailto:support@wusik.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 12:00 PM
To:
Subject: [WusikDotCom] Invitation to the Wusik NewsList

Invitation to the Wusik NewsList

This is just an invitation to the Wusik NewList. Your email was NOT added in any way, we are sending this out once as we created a totally new list system. To subscribe, click the link at the bottom of this message.

If you wish to stay away from any news-email from Wusik, just ignore and delete this email. Plus, you should only receive this email once per email you had with us on our database. Finally, we are sending this invitation to everybody who had an email on our database. If you already asked to be left out of our system and still received this, it means that your email was added back again when you placed an order or received a free item fro Wusik. In any event, this new system is different, as it marks the email as 'no-email', so its done once and you never have to bother about Wusik emails for good. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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I had asked to be removed from your list about 10 times by this point.
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2008



I HAVE ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR SPAM LISTS ABOUT 5 TIMES NOW.

I have sent an unsubscription message, unregistered on the web page, sent an email to William directly, and to the wusik support address. You keep sending me spam. I am now going to register all of your email addresses with every relevant anti-spam list, and see what action can be taken against your unwanted and aggressive marketing.

Regards,
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2008

William,

do not send me any more email, PLEASE.

I do not wish to recieve any more invitations to join the mailing list, any mail about special offers or anything. I have followed all your steps to have myself removed and you still send me email.

If you continue to do so I will make a point of posting on the audio forums about your SPAM tactics. Please stop. I will not visit your website to ask you again to remove me from your list. I will also report your website to the various spam filtering bodies if you continue.

Regards,
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I have about 15 others of these.

[adventurepants]

And BTW, I won't deal with the drama here, got other stuff to take care of. So I won't reply anyway, see'yah!

Wk

Excellent. Youve admitted at last you simply dont care about this. Let your future customers read this thread and judge accordingly.

Youve made a personal attack against me calling me a 'big baby' for calling you out on your practices. This is not how ethical businesses respond to legitimate criticism.

"But the problem is that the companies I was using, two companies actually, were asking more money to send emails to the lists I had, which were already opt-in. I tried to merge stuff out but failed... heck, is impressive to see the big babies complaining about something so trivial."

This is a pathetic response mate, and does not explain why you do not delete customer details on request and why you still have my details on file. If you are unable to manage your lists, pay someone who can.

[jsp1979]

anyone that so willfully abuses his mailing list can't be trusted with your email address, let alone your personal & financial details.

it's that simple really.

That kind of begs the question: why hasn't he been banned from KVR?

I've said before and I'll say it again. Cryosonic does this stuff (e.g. spamming over and over after requesting removal, not delivering on promised and paid for products, etc) and is banned (rightfully so). WilliamK does the same thing and he has a crowd of people lining up to make excuses why it's fine that he does it. It's bizarre. It's rinse and repeat around here on this subject.

I don't care about the medical history of the companies I do business with. I do expect them them to use accepted ethical practices. That's not unreasonable.

[Numanoid]

In relation to OP:

What Spam Practices are acceceptable ?

[braj]

In relation to OP:

What Spam Practices are acceceptable ?

It seems the issue is people can't opt out, which includes the most recent system William is using.

I suggest to him this advice, which I think addresses most concerns about his business practices :

1 Allow people to opt out of email.
2 don't do pre-orders.

I hope he can manage these two requests, if he can code, certainly these are not beyond his capabilities.

[ghettosynth]

In relation to OP:

What Spam Practices are acceceptable ?

No "spam" practices are acceptable. It's ok to email promotions to a customer/potential customer if they agree to receive such promotions by signing up for your email list while engaging you in some way so long as you don't tell them to stop emailing you. It's perfectly valid to assert that by taking something from them for free that you have a business relationship with them which allows them to contact you, again, until they tell you to stop.

This isn't difficult to understand. If someone says don't email them and subsequently doesn't engage your firm then don't f**king email them. I don't want to give the impression that when I was talking about how I choose to handle it that because I don't get upset over it that I think that it's acceptable, I don't. I just choose not to waste my time engaging companies who send spam, I let the power of the internet file their wasted messages into the trash can.

Also, while I think it's a bit beyond the pale to talk about someone's mental health, I also agree that that the mental health of the business owner has fuckall to do with their compliance with legal email practices.

So, no, we shouldn't be discussing anyone's mental health, but yes, we should absolutely be calling them on their bullshit. Empathy yes, enabling no.

[Numanoid]

1 Allow people to opt out of email.
2 don't do pre-orders.

Seems like good advice

[Numanoid]

So, no, we shouldn't be discussing anyone's mental health, but yes, we should absolutely be calling them on their bullshit. Empathy yes, enabling no.

+1 I agree with that

[Jace-BeOS]

I gotta say things are different nowadays. It is REALLY nice to see so many understand and caring people about a mental disorder. Not that long ago a lot of people didn't even believe they were real.

It's good and bad. On one hand, people are not being condemned for character flaws and "weakness" as much as they used to. On the other hand, a lot of normal human emotion is being pathologized and the resulting behavior is being medicalized so companies can sell drugs at it. It's changed from one stigma to another: Instead of being told you have bad character, they're telling you you're broken.

Basic human emotions like mourning of loss and justifiable hurt, confusion, and/or anger (at abusers on a personal or professional level) are being turned into excuses to drug people. Telling them they're suffering a "broken brain" isn't addressing the cause. Normalizing being broken is normalizing using drugs to "fix" it. Normalizing drugs to fix undesirable human emotion is de-normalizing natural human behavior.

Don't be fooled. Psychiatry isn't currently driven by science. It's driven by opinion. The American DSM is not written via a scientific analysis of human behavior. It is a document created by committees. The DSM V committee was even protested by some of its own members who quit in protest of the lack of scientific objectivity.

Psych drugs don't treat the causes of undesirable emotions or behaviors; they only impact symptomology (and create their own further symptoms and dependencies/addictions). Short term, a tweaked state can be useful (calm someone down). Long term, it changes people's biology. The claim of the "chemical imbalance" is a myth. The only "imbalance" is what long-term drugging creates.

http://cepuk.org/unrecognised-facts/myt ... imbalance/

I've never met anyone born broken. I've only ever met people who were broken by others or by toxic societal features or by unfortunate experiences (or combinations of these). Throwing labels on people and putting them into drug treatment programs doesn't address the cause of their suffering. As long as we continue to ignore the causes, we as a civilization will continue to manufacture these problems.

[Numanoid]

I've never met anyone born broken.

Not "broken", but being affected by autism is there from birth AFAIK

That word "broken" also reminds of TFF

[Jace-BeOS]

I've never met anyone born broken.

Not "broken", but being affected by autism is there from birth AFAIK

That word "broken" also reminds of TFF

I'm addressing what people nowadays like to call "mental illness". It's a poor term that I take issue with because of the ever widening scope of people and human behaviors it seems to be engulfing.

I wasn't addressing autism. Autism isn't "mental illness". If someone is using the "mental illness" label to address autism, then this just furthers my objection to the term "mental illness". I do object to the notion of drugging autistic persons, though.

It seems being on the autism spectrum leads to being more susceptible to the things called "mental illness", either due to intellectual and developmental problems for low-functioning autistic persons, or social mistreatment from parents, peers, authority figures, etc in those who are otherwise high-functioning and would've been fully functional adults with some extra care and nurturing (instead of abuse and "tough love" bullshit).

[Numanoid]

I wasn't addressing autism. Autism isn't "mental illness".

According to Wikipedia Autism is a Neurodevelopmental disorder which is a mental disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodeve ... l_disorder

What's the difference between a disorder and an illness?

[braj]

I wasn't addressing autism. Autism isn't "mental illness".

According to Wikipedia Autism is a Neurodevelopmental disorder which is a mental disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodeve ... l_disorder

What's the difference between a disorder and an illness?

Is it that an illness is something that you recover from and a disorder is something you have to live with? I have a neurological disorder I live with it everyday it doesn't get better other people have pain during illness like a stomach ache that gets better.

[Jace-BeOS]

To William: your response here did three things:

1. It offered an apology. This was good.

2. It offered an explanation. This was also good.

3. It also demonstrated anger and disregard for those who are understandably frustrated with repeated mailing issues. This was unnecessary and does not help you or this situation. It only fans the flames and guts the apology of its sincerity.