KVR Audio

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:24 pm

sfxsound3 wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:
sfxsound3 wrote:
Googly Smythe wrote:most, if not all, current DAWS can handle audio satisfactorily.
I'm on the contrary opinion. I've tried most of them, and they are still lacking in essential functions. No option to rename or delete a file from the DAW's file browser? Most don't have that!!! No integrated audio editor? No batch processing? Just some basic, basic audio handling functions - normalize, reverse, invert phase, stretch, - and if you want more - go buy a dedicated editor app. The good ones are several hundred bucks. But you'll have to use it outside the DAW, then import, then export, etc.

OK, I haven't checked latest Cubase or Logic, but other than those two - it's a fest.
If you want a full audio editor inside a DAW, why not purchase IL Edison?
He's asking about a DAW. I already mentioned the purchase option. OK, Edison is a plugin, which is a plus, but how do I transfer files from it to the DAW and back? Drag and drop? Don't think so.

Edison used to be include a standalone program so you could link to it via the host options relating to an external editor.

Unfortunately this doesnt work any more as now IL just wrap the plugin with MiniHost Modular so instead of opening Edison it just opens MiniHost Modular

So your only option now to is to drag and drop or manually save and reopen.

Of course this will still work with all other audio editors that are standalone programs

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:34 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote: So your only option now to is to drag and drop

Even better, you can link another editor to your DAW, and still have Edison to drag/drop too.

I like how you can load multiple Edisons on the same and/or different channels, for some creative resampling.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:37 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote: So your only option now to is to drag and drop
Even better, you can link another editor to your DAW, and still have Edison to drag/drop too.
I like how you can load multiple Edisons on the same and/or different channels, for some creative resampling.

Yes but its not as seamless as just hitting Edit in your daw and it opens with Edison.

Im not denying the usefullness of the VST version, it makes it unique

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:40 pm

What about Saw Studio, is it still available to buy even, doesnt look like it.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:47 pm

I wasn't trying to say that the removal of a feature is a positive thing.

But, can't you install the old standalone and the newest version of the plugin simultaniously?

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:53 pm

T-CM11 wrote:I wasn't trying to say that the removal of a feature is a positive thing.
But, can't you install the old standalone and the newest version of the plugin simultaniously?

Point me to a download and Id be happy too, sadly I delete older installers when I download the new ones

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:01 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:I wasn't trying to say that the removal of a feature is a positive thing.
But, can't you install the old standalone and the newest version of the plugin simultaniously?
Point me to a download and Id be happy too, sadly I delete older installers when I download the new ones

Didn't think of that - I keep all my old installers. Most of them are just part of my old installer museum, gathering digital dust.

Why not ask Image Line for it? They even put a lot of prehistoric FL versions online... (not for me, I already had them in my museum

)

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:07 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:I wasn't trying to say that the removal of a feature is a positive thing.
But, can't you install the old standalone and the newest version of the plugin simultaniously?
Point me to a download and Id be happy too, sadly I delete older installers when I download the new ones

Didn't think of that - I keep all my old installers. Most of them are just part of my old installer museum, gathering digital dust.
Why not ask Image Line for it? They even put a lot of prehistoric FL versions online... (not for me, I already had them in my museum )

I probably do have an old installer <somewhere>, just not on my main desktop.

Anyway.....back on topic

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:31 pm

sfxsound3 wrote: I'm on the contrary opinion. I've tried most of them, and they are still lacking in essential functions. No option to rename or delete a file from the DAW's file browser? Most don't have that!!! No integrated audio editor? No batch processing? Just some basic, basic audio handling functions - normalize, reverse, invert phase, stretch, - and if you want more - go buy a dedicated editor app. The good ones are several hundred bucks. But you'll have to use it outside the DAW, then import, then export, etc.

OK, I haven't checked latest Cubase or Logic, but other than those two - it's a fest.

Sure, I can see how batch processing and file management is "essential". How about designing album art and emailing news to the fans? Why no DAW do that?!? It's essential!

Schmidi · Post by **Schmidi** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:46 am

If you also want a good hardware/software combo, the MPC Touch is right up your alley. It's a nice sampler with most all the necessary aspects of DAWs, and a great feeling controller.

clangorous · Post by **clangorous** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:14 pm

sfxsound3 wrote:
Googly Smythe wrote:most, if not all, current DAWS can handle audio satisfactorily.
I'm on the contrary opinion. I've tried most of them, and they are still lacking in essential functions. No option to rename or delete a file from the DAW's file browser? Most don't have that!!! No integrated audio editor? No batch processing? Just some basic, basic audio handling functions - normalize, reverse, invert phase, stretch, - and if you want more - go buy a dedicated editor app. The good ones are several hundred bucks. But you'll have to use it outside the DAW, then import, then export, etc.

OK, I haven't checked latest Cubase or Logic, but other than those two - it's a fest.

And yet Studio One:

14 pages of Editing functions explained in the manual, it has file rename, integrated editor with everything I have ever wanted to do to audio, and the ability to edit groups of tracks (not "batch" file editing but not sure what you would want to do there...)

Are you clear on your feature/function list? Based on this it might be time for you to do another round of reviews of current DAWs or at least reevaluate Studio One. It is CHEAP to buy unless you want the Pro version (but the Pro version is worth every penny).

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:14 pm

From the viewpoing of the OP, Studio One is the most unsuitable out of the actual DAWs mentioned here, unless its audio functionality has been updated quite lately. As weird as it seems, it doesn't have a simple resampling pitch function for audio items. That is, you can't change the playrate of a sound clip in the arrangement, in the traditional and most non-destructive manner.

In other words, one of the most basic sound design and editing functions for sampled material (pitch up and go faster, pitch down and go slower, simply changing the playrate of a clip and interpolating the playback to the current project samplerate) hasn't been possible in Studio One without loading sound bits into a sampler plugin and triggering them there, or editing the audio in a separate offline editor. If you want to approximate this on the timeline, the audio clip always needs to go through a stretching/shifting algo instead of traditional resampling. This alone rules it out from being a serious contender in such sound design workflows. This was the case for years, as implausible as it seems, so if it has been corrected these days someone chime in on this.

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:50 am

the best daw with wav editing features in my experience is Samplitude.
not even including the fact it now as SoundForge integrated with melodyne ( i don't have this version myself, but looks very interesting). You can have your wav file open in a seperate tab and you can slice and dice to your hearts content and easily place these edits in the main project...
i would also say that FL is great if you are using it's internal editors ( Edison and SliceX) as well as being able to edit files on the playlist.. it has a lot of options for chopping on the timeline also.
this is something i have so far only seen in Studio One. which is very good also. it's track bouncing in place is a strong feature.
Reaper has it to i believe. but i find it to fiddly ( it does not have an edit window for audio files which is something i look for personally)...
it's getting to a point when a lot of this stuff is developing the same functionality..
apart from Ableton?

Johnny Blade · Post by **Johnny Blade** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:43 pm

inkwarp wrote:the best daw with wav editing features in my experience is Samplitude.

I agree. Deep, stable and it manages very well any waves plugin!

A DAW that was created to work perfect with wave files.