Wusiks Spam Practices are Unacceptable

[V0RT3X]

This is just my opinion, but I believe if you are struggling with a crippling mental illness that you should not engage in a public business until you have it under control.

It just ends up ruining any future chance at having a successful business when you are at 100% capacity later on in life.

[braj]

I brought it up because William brought it up by posting a Youtube video about it, and mentioning it in his latest email 'spam'. And I'm not an apologist for his business practices, but a bit of sympathy for each other's struggles does help.

On the one hand, I'm with you there, what I object to in this thread is people speculating about what his condition might be and then riffing off of that conversation. To me that's beyond rude and none of anyone's business here. None of you are his doctor so STFU and mind your own business.

On the other hand, frankly, I don't want to watch cringe worthy videos of people going on about their mental illness on KVR. While I understand where you were coming from, it wasn't sent to KVR it was sent to you so it is a small violation of privacy in a sense. I get it, if it's on youtube it's not really private, but sharing it here does give it a wider audience than was intended. In any case, empathy for mental illness does not mean that it's allowed to be an excuse. If you're too mentally ill to run your business as the law requires, then maybe you should do something else. In any case, while I understand your goal and your desire to elicit compassion, I don't think that it (posting of mental illness videos) has a place here even if the person in question posted the video themselves.

Sure, I understand that now.

[Daags]

for those people who feel - in this case - that the issues of mental health are genuinely correlated to the absolute lack of business practise ethics & integrity, and feel this should be considered as a mitigating factor in measuring a suitable response, I strongly urge you to do at least a few minutes reading up on 'primary gain' and 'secondary gain'.

If I accept the mental health issues are genuine, and then compounded by the dev's attitude in this thread alone, I am strongly inclined to believe what we are witnessing at play here is primary/secondary gain - at least so far as the dev himself using the alleged mental health issues for any beneficial purposes, such as harvesting sympathy ... which, less face it, works ... in this thread alone we have at least a couple people willing to write off or mitigate heavily his egregious handling of people's private details, owing to his alleged mental health issues.

ultimately, it shouldn't matter though. first and foremost he should be held to the same business standards as anyone else, like crysonic for example. and then after the fact people can - if they must - muse about whether his mental health issues contributed to his commercial presence at KVR being revoked, like crysonic.

[braj]

So now what? People have questioned the security of their information when doing business with Wusik, but yet, Wusik still is a member here, and participates in group events like the one synth challenge and charity events, and the occasional post in search of sales. Should this be prohibited then? I mean, all the talk about rewarding him with sympathy and/or business, should that be stopped entirely?

[braj]

I just sent an email to the company that handles his bulk email, told them he is spamming people, and that there needs to be an opt out option for all email from their system's users. I suggest anyone tired of his spam forward your emails to them:

issue@acyba.com

[Hink]

I dont have an answer tbh, this would be up to Ben. My thought is to move this to the mod forum for review but I'm not sure so I'll just say if this thread disappears that is likely why

[Daags]

So now what? People have questioned the security of their information when doing business with Wusik, but yet, Wusik still is a member here, and participates in group events like the one synth challenge and charity events, and the occasional post in search of sales. Should this be prohibited then? I mean, all the talk about rewarding him with sympathy and/or business, should that be stopped entirely?

I think so.

anyone that so willfully abuses his mailing list can't be trusted with your email address, let alone your personal & financial details.

it's that simple really.

Crysonic got shitcanned for running their business in a similar fashion. And that forum member who was constantly causing massive forum dramas got shitcanned too, despite his own 'back pain' and 'ocd' issues. So the forum has precedent for banning from both angles, the unethical business practises angle and the 'i can't help breaking the rules because i'm in pain and/or mentally ill' angle.

I guess Wusik has curried favour with the right people. For sure, mental health issues are an evocative topic - particularly since so many have either experienced it or witnessed it - and the mere suggestion that one is mentally ill is possibly the most effective way to have one's faults forgiven, over and over again. hence primary & secondary gain being such a big issue in the treatment of those reporting mental illness.

[Jace-BeOS]

Edit 1 Clarification:

I'm in agreement with the point above [Ghettosynth's]. If William brought that video [and discussion of his behavioral diagnostics] to the forum, that would be different.

Edit 2: and still a bad idea to do. Don't mix business and personal life *in public*.

[Daags]

Don't mix business and personal life *in public*.

Sure. A basic standard to which all should adhere, I think we can all agree.

but when your personal life curries favour & sympathy, and essentially gives you a free pass or a hell of a lot of leeway in breaching basic business standards, you can see why some people are content to mix the two. we need look no further than this thread to see an example of that in action.

[dnekm]

For what it is worth.....

Before I went through Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath in New Orleans I thought PTSD was a farce.

Want to see what I was a part of before that? Go to westgatenecromantic.com.

It took my wife and I 10+ years to get over that experience. That is how Anomaly was born.

Think about what you are suggesting here. You want to destroy one person's way of getting by because of spam. Yes, I know spam is annoying and I have had my share of spam related problems. Some of which started when I began hosting the Algo Music instruments.

Wusik V6/V7 are amazing instruments in what they can do. I never would have been able to create Anomaly without it - or the equally amazing instruments of HG Fortune.

So think for a bit. If you really hate the spam that much, just block it. It is your computer, in the end. You control what it does and what it receives.

I am not saying that I agree with sending emails that are unwanted. But think.

[Michael L]

FWIW, I agree fully with dnekm. Spam is not an issue with me, I just flag it and it goes automatically to Trash (and iZotope sends me more than anyone.) WusikStation is very, very good value! William's business practices have fluctuated from being too generous to not delivering, and he has done lots of helpful videos as well as the recent one. So William could use good business advice as many have said-- but not punishment.

[braj]

I simply don't think he has the bad intentions with your personal info some here have stated. Ineptitude is not the same as being malicious. Perhaps he needs to go through a middleman for marketing and sales.

[Daags]

But feel.

fixed that for you. what you're appealing to here is feelings, not reason.

repeatedly spamming people, over and over, is only a symptom of a more serious issue... which is effectively refusing to comprehensively delete a person's personal details from your database when requested to (unless it relates to issues of national security/interest). To refuse to do this is outright illegal. One even has to wonder about the implications on KVR if they continue to let this guy operate here, knowing - or at the very least having very strong reason to believe - that he is breaching data protection acts/laws in countless regions by refusing to remove people's email addresses from his databases.

Furthermore, if this is what he is content to do in such a flagrant manner, one has to wonder if your other personal & financial details are really safe with a business operator like this. The act itself is bad enough, but the way in which he tried to diminish this issue in this very thread is very concerning indeed.

Instead of asking me to 'think' (see: feel), I suggested maybe you brush up on Privacy Laws, Data Protection Acts, etc ... google is replete with info. I guess wikipedia is as good a place as any to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_privacy_law

[Daags]

Ineptitude is not the same as being malicious.

ignorantia legis neminem excusat
(ignorance of law excuses no one)


i don't believe this is ineptitude for a second, and it matters not if that were true anyway. besides, do you want someone so inept that he can't even delete your email from his databases, despite endless requests over a span of years and the existence of strong & clear cut laws that insist he honour those requests, to also be in possession of your other personal & financial details ?

whitewashing his behaviour as ineptitude doesn't make it any more tolerable. might even make it worse.

[braj]

Yeah, I paid via PayPal five years ago, he has no personal info of mine beyond my email address. Whatever, go ahead and carry out your crusade then, have fun with that. I do suggest you contact the mods here if you really think it is a threat to KVR, national security, your mental stability, or whatever. Have a nice day.