Albleton Live 10 overpriced?

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Reefius wrote:
Pyrotek45 wrote:just buy fl, free updates for life.
Real men use a real DAW, not some poorly written overgrown drum sequencer :P
Its not FL Studio fault that bad dancer blames his balls

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nothing wrong with FL just its minimal starter third-party plugin pack is little bigger than the others

FL Studio Signature + analogue modeled stuffs like
Brainworx Vertigo Sound VSC-2
Plugin Alliance - Maag EQ4
Plugin Alliance - bx subfilter
Slate Digital Virtual Mix Rack
Slate Digital - FG-MU
Slate Digital - FG-Red
Slate Digital - Virtual Channel
Slate Digital - Virtual Mixbuss
Waves - API 2500
Waves - API 560
Waves - SSL Compressor
etc.

by default the sound of it is simple true sterile

it can be heard even on crappytube, the main goal here how to give back the analogue dirty to its soundscape, even a Console emulation plugin can be big help to it :roll:
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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Ableton upgrade definitely overpriced. With FL Studio you will get free lifetime updates. Has anyone already pointed it out?
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robotmonkey wrote:Ableton upgrade definitely overpriced. With FL Studio you will get free lifetime updates. Has anyone already pointed it out?
I don't think so, let me check the thread...

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jacqueslacouth wrote:
david.beholder wrote:
It's 2017 but you still have windows vs mac holy war in your mind.

Actually, not! I'm pretty close to going back to a windows machine myself, I just find the dongle reference stupid. There is plenty of software out there that runs on one platform only. It makes sense, as the owners of Logic, Apple would not be bothered developing their software for competitive platforms. It kind of demonstrates their self-confidence (some might say complete arrogance)
Or, you could do what I did. Build a highly capable Windows system for about $1100 out of OSX-supported hardware and then dual boot. Best of both worlds, really. Low cost commodity hardware with high performance; Windows for Sonar and all sorts of AAA gaming; boot in to OSX for Ableton and Cubase (or Logic if you prefer), NLE and photo stuff in Creative Cloud. Significantly less outlay relative to an Apple "dongle", significantly higher value/ROI.

Get started here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/november/2017/

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If Fl had complete undo, linear vsti+insert gui, ctrl+G rack, on the fly warping on track, auto make-unique, cut&paste plugin with automation I can fully stop using Live.

I often fiddle daw arbitrarily therefore those features are crucial for me to boost the workflow. I don't need to care much about things before commit to process because most things are undoable or changeable easily afterward in Live. But in FL undoing, re-routing and re-edit are mostly not easy. In other area, I prefer FL's functionality.
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I brought FL Studio first to this thread because jacqueslacouth said that "Logic Pro X is the most outstanding value major player in DAW world." which is simply not true hence the free lifetime update you get only with FL Studio. If we talk about value in DAW world you hardly beat a lifetime free upgrade offer i guess. :D
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.

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robotmonkey wrote:Ableton upgrade definitely overpriced. With FL Studio you will get free lifetime updates. Has anyone already pointed it out?
no... in fact that is the first I have ever heard of that.

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murnau wrote:I brought FL Studio first to this thread because jacqueslacouth said that "Logic Pro X is the most outstanding value major player in DAW world." which is simply not true hence the free lifetime update you get only with FL Studio. If we talk about value in DAW world you hardly beat a lifetime free upgrade offer i guess. :D
The person who said that does not consider FL Studio a major DAW. So for them it is true.

As for FL Studio... a lifetime of free updates hoping that it would become a DAW I would want to use does not sound like a good deal to me. I'm also ignoring that there isn't even a Mac version available.

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pdxindy wrote:
murnau wrote:I brought FL Studio first to this thread because jacqueslacouth said that "Logic Pro X is the most outstanding value major player in DAW world." which is simply not true hence the free lifetime update you get only with FL Studio. If we talk about value in DAW world you hardly beat a lifetime free upgrade offer i guess. :D
The person who said that does not consider FL Studio a major DAW. So for them it is true.

As for FL Studio... a lifetime of free updates hoping that it would become a DAW I would want to use does not sound like a good deal to me. I'm also ignoring that there isn't even a Mac version available.
what ever 'major' means to you .... plus they're working on a mac release.
~Pyrotek45

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Actually in theory, one of the main advantages of Delphi, is cross platform rapid development. You would think they should have had a Mac version long ago, also Linux.

Of course I haven’t used Delphi in many years.

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Pyrotek45 wrote:
what ever 'major' means to you .... plus they're working on a mac release.
The Mac 'beta' has been around for years... and it is nowhere near ready. Maybe by 2025...

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pdxindy wrote:
Pyrotek45 wrote:
what ever 'major' means to you .... plus they're working on a mac release.
The Mac 'beta' has been around for years... and it is nowhere near ready. Maybe by 2025...
Oh, I didn't know you are part of the dev team, i guess that explains why you have so much insight. :roll:
~Pyrotek45

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FL looks quite good value for an initial purchase, what are Image Line like with their upgrades? And is there a Mac version?

Cheers

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Is Fruity Loops considered a proper D.A.W. These days? I haven’t seen it for years, I’m a mac user.

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