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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:41 pm

Hmmm, I don't think the current state of "any" was meant as the final solution either. I think I made the decision to keep it like it is and go beta rather than wait another week or two until we have a better solution. I guess I wrote something like "let's see what they say first".

(also, it would have been boring if no-one had anything to say and this thread was still 1 page or so)

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:51 pm

The good news is you've got a vocal customer base.

My take on it is pretty much the same as yours:

1. I should just be able to tag a patch as a pad without forcing a sub-category (sub-category "none' or "NA" if you will - they are optional)
2. In the browser, clicking Pad should immediately show all pad patches
3. Clicking the (now optional) sub-categories would only show pads tagged with that sub-category
4. Replace the word "Any" with "All" in the sub-category tags section
5. No need for "Pad -> Pad" (i.e. category same as sub-category) at all under this methodology

Unless I'm missing something, this seems like it would be an intuitive and efficient approach and very similar to what you guys are currently doing (i.e. not a complete overhaul).

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:54 pm

Urs wrote:Unlike Komplete we allow for tagging of just the top category without any subcategory.

This is entirely possible with KK as well! You don't HAVE to assign a sub-category, if you don't want to.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:56 pm

What does everyone think of the available list of categories?

I feel like categories for Brass, Strings, FX are a near-must (I guess "Plucks" could be "Stabs"). I struggle with how to tag a Poly brass or String patch. They're not quite Keys or Pads IMO. Is the current list an NKS thing or something? Or does the opportunity exist to expand the categories?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:57 pm

I agree that Brass, Strings, FX and Plucks are absolutely necessary tags, too.

tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:29 pm

zvenx wrote:Hopefully you guys can do it... one way I imagine is in the Tag Browser have the option to choose a Favourite as part of the Tag Browser search parameters. If that makes sense.

I like that idea, I'll make a note about it in our system. I don't know if it's doable, or when. Probably won't make it into the initial release since there are still way too many things to improve and to fix to even think about adding new features right now. But a good idea, worth thinking about.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:38 pm

I mentioned this before the release in the main RePro-5 thread and I know Urs likes the current approach, but having spent some time with the browser I feel even more strongly about it: I'd really like the option to save tags at the time I save the patch. The current system is great for tagging existing patches or tagging in bulk, but as I start to make my own, I want the option to tag in the save screen while everything is fresh in my mind. I could always ignore this option and tag in he browser (current state) if I was lazy, but having the optional ability to set tags in the save dialog would be nice.

Totally not expecting this for an initial release, but maybe something to revisit in the future.

tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:39 pm

winds350 wrote:Would it be possible to either provide the option to turn off drag and drop, or to reduce it's sensitivity? It's fine with a mouse, but with my pen/tablet, and with my touch screen, I've already inadvertently moved folders into other folders several times.

Since no one in the office (as far as I know) has a pen/tablet or touchscreen, that wasn't something we were able to test. Good point though, we might have to think about a solution.

winds350 wrote:Minor things, it would be nice if the 'Show Preset info' setting persisted. And it would be nice if the expansion for folders was different from the expansion for tags. For example, open one down for folders and open none for tags.

Thanks for mentioning.
The show preset info setting not being persistent might just be a bug.
Can't say if that other idea with different expansion levels for physical folders and tag folders would be easily doable. But I already had that same thought once, I'll add an improvement request to our system.

tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:42 pm

spacepluk wrote:Maybe it's because I'm using the beta on Linux with airwave, but the cursor keys don't change the preset as they used to. Everything else is a big improvement

This also depends on the host, some give us full access to all the keys we need, some hosts have a preference setting you can enable to allow a plugin to grab the needed keys, and some hosts just give us endless headaches.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:49 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:What does everyone think of the available list of categories?

I feel like categories for Brass, Strings, FX are a near-must (I guess "Plucks" could be "Stabs"). I struggle with how to tag a Poly brass or String patch. They're not quite Keys or Pads IMO. Is the current list an NKS thing or something? Or does the opportunity exist to expand the categories?

Agreed.
I was to have checked if he was trying to comply with NKS at one go, but never gotten around to actually checking.
rsp

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:31 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Urs wrote:Unlike Komplete we allow for tagging of just the top category without any subcategory.
This is entirely possible with KK as well! You don't HAVE to assign a sub-category, if you don't want to.

Eh eh hehe... I'm fairly sure NKS guidelines totally forbid tagging just the main category without a sub category within it. (It's been a while though...)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:38 pm

Yet there are products which do exactly that. Guidelines are nice to follow, but not 100% obligatory to get your product approved.

I do this with Kontakt Player libraries all the time as it's my job. Trust me, it's totally fine to do that, if push comes to shove.

There's a different issue that there are some plain synth-related base category tags missing in basic NKS tag cloud, like there's no "Pads" main category at all. There's "Synth Pad", though, so some sort of mapping between u-he tags and NKS tags should exist... perhaps?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:42 pm

Urs wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
Urs wrote:Unlike Komplete we allow for tagging of just the top category without any subcategory.
This is entirely possible with KK as well! You don't HAVE to assign a sub-category, if you don't want to.
Eh eh hehe... I'm fairly sure NKS guidelines totally forbid tagging just the main category without a sub category within it. (It's been a while though...)

ED is right.

rsp

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:48 pm

One thing is tagging your own presets, of course you can do that. Urs is talking about official NI guidelines for NKS tagging.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:52 pm

EvilDragon wrote:One thing is tagging your own presets, of course you can do that. Urs is talking about official NI guidelines for NKS tagging.

Ahh I didn't get that. I thought the discussion was whether it was technically possible in NKS system to choose a category without anything else.

rsp

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