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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:33 pm

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Some awesome reeds (woodwinds) in that bank there

Urs wrote:(someone wondered why there were heated debates? )

Haha. Touché!

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:35 pm

EvilDragon wrote:viewtopic.php?t=369023

Some awesome reeds (woodwinds) in that bank there

Zebra != Repro

(we also won't add poly categories to Repro-1... just saying...)

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:38 pm

Urs wrote:...so please stop insisting that there's any sense in copying any of their system

I'm just suggesting you be consistent with the same system you've already used for years on various products. You foldered them by Bass, Leads, Keys, Plucks, Brass, Strings, Pads, Chords, Effects, and Percussion in every U-he synth product I own.

Those categories work very well IMO. Therefore, changing the paradigm solely for the sake of tagging isn't necessarily going to lead to an improvement in usability or categorization.

Urs, in the end we're all just customers offering feedback in a thread dedicated to that topic. I don't think anyone's insisting on anything, but we all use and interact with your products and if you're going to do something big like this, I think we're all here to lobby for what makes the most sense to us. Ultimately you guys will decide/have decided.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:43 pm

Urs wrote:(someone wondered why there were heated debates? )

I totally get the heated debates thing. I look at it at this way: if no one were arguing it would mean they didn't care!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm

We had similar debates over the tags for the Alchemy browser

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:49 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I'm just suggesting you be consistent with the same system you've already used for years on various products. You foldered them by Bass, Leads, Keys, Plucks, Brass, Strings, Pads, Chords, Effects, and Percussion in every U-he synth product I own.

I totally get what you mean, but it's still two different things. In the preset folders we don't have subfolders for numerous sub categories. We also don't put copies of presets into two folders if they fit both descriptions. In that respect our old folder system was always flawed.

Preset tagging is exactly the solution where a different kind of relationship can be made, beyond the folder structure. It's inherently obvious that the folder structure can not correspond to the tag categories. It's too restricted for that.

However, I'm not prepared to give up on folders, as preset tagging has other disadvantages. But while the two seem to contradict each other, they're actually complementary.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:41 pm

FX > Soundscapes instead of or as well as Pads > Soundscapes?

(I have some soundscape type patches that aren't to my mind pads. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what a soundscape is?)

Love the new browser.

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:20 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Urs wrote:(someone wondered why there were heated debates? )
I totally get the heated debates thing. I look at it at this way: if no one were arguing it would mean they didn't care!

I will certainly be up for more arguing over the next few days years.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:22 pm

hakey wrote:FX > Soundscapes instead of or as well as Pads > Soundscapes?

(I have some soundscape type patches that aren't to my mind pads. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what a soundscape is?)

Love the new browser.

I think soundscapes are distinct from either

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:23 pm

spunkmuffin wrote:
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Urs wrote:(someone wondered why there were heated debates? )
I totally get the heated debates thing. I look at it at this way: if no one were arguing it would mean they didn't care!
I will certainly be up for more arguing over the next few days years.

Nothing like a mass debate

yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:43 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I'm just suggesting you be consistent with the same system you've already used for years on various products. You foldered them by Bass, Leads, Keys, Plucks, Brass, Strings, Pads, Chords, Effects, and Percussion in every U-he synth product I own.

Consistency is not necessarily an imperative when those categories were the result of a more restrictive system.

I've always found plucks to be highly problematic because once the decay envelope is increased, it's no longer a pluck. Pretty much all my plucks are really just pluckable leads, pluckable basses, pluckable brass, etc.. The tag system lets me look for "pluckable" whatevers and drill down. It's fantastic.

But I get it. There's a workflow difference when it's a top-level category versus one-level down or searching for "pluck". I think this is a great use case for a "Favourites" category, and "Favourites" will in practice become "User Categories", especially if they can renamed. So perhaps we can have unlimited (or a much higher number of) favourites.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am

I'd argue that the trag system would allow you to label those plucks in multiple categories so it could be a Pluck, Bass, or Lead and that could help resolve these types of "what it it can be more than one" scenarios. The answer would be, "tag it as everything it could be." Just my two cents...

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:59 am

u-he/Urs,
I tried following the instructions, but I couldn't find the User folder when I tried to find a patch I created to share with you guys (Mac OSX 10.9.5, Cubase AI8). Can someone help me with that?

I feel kind of ungrateful by complaining (I apologize in advance) about the free upgrade (Repro-5) since I already had Repro-1 (I appreciate it!), but here are my main gripes about the Preset Browser (so far) since you asked:

1. Listing favorites by color seems rather arbitrary & non-intuitive. Would it be possible to put a number inside the colored dot, if you guys don't want to have 1 to 5 stars like the French guys? Right now I just use the purple dot since it contrasts nicely, but having a more intuitive grading system would be nice.

2. Very often I make a very slight edit to a patch, then I add my real initials to the end of the patch name, so I can tell them apart. But if that patch is in a different folder, how can I quickly compare the 2 patches without hunting all over for it? I agree there should be an option to put them in the same folder.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:09 am

aaron aardvark wrote:u-he/Urs,
I tried following the instructions, but I couldn't find the User folder when I tried to find a patch I created to share with you guys (Mac OSX 10.9.5, Cubase AI8). Can someone help me with that?

Right-click and "reveal in Finder/Explorer" - I'm certain that's in the user guide as well...

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:04 am

Is it not posdible for users who dont like the way its labelled to rename folders and move presets into appropriate folders?

ie make a brass folder and move all brass sounds into that folder?

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