Repro-5 public beta (Repro V1.1)

[Urs]

BTW, here's a question for Urs.


What happened to Prophet-5's Release button? I know it's sorta related to sustain pedal, but it kinda seems pretty useful for performance, too (without forcing us to MIDI learn the amp release knob, since that wouldn't really work the same way across all presets, for obvious reasons).

For performance on a hardware machine with limited number of presets, yes, but for a plug-in... I mean, we swapped the KeyTrack on/off button for a proper pot and all that.

I still get it for Minimoog-style envelopes where Decay and Release share the same knob. But in this instant I really don't think it makes much sense.

[HunterKiller]

Urs will you, at a later stage, emulate the Rev 2 filter?

[Urs]

Urs will you, at a later stage, emulate the Rev 2 filter?

I can't say that yet. The filter maybe, the VCOs and envelopes certainly not.

I feel uncomfortable dissecting a P-5 Rev2 while SSM 2040 are too rare to replace. There are hopes for new batches of these chips, but I'm not gonna kill off a 7k collector synth for this feature.

(I bought a Crumar Trilogy and stuff, we have CEM 3320 in abundance)

[EvilDragon]

BTW, here's a question for Urs.


What happened to Prophet-5's Release button? I know it's sorta related to sustain pedal, but it kinda seems pretty useful for performance, too (without forcing us to MIDI learn the amp release knob, since that wouldn't really work the same way across all presets, for obvious reasons).

For performance on a hardware machine with limited number of presets, yes, but for a plug-in... I mean, we swapped the KeyTrack on/off button for a proper pot and all that.

I still get it for Minimoog-style envelopes where Decay and Release share the same knob. But in this instant I really don't think it makes much sense.

Gotcha.

It's just, according to Prophet-5 manual, when Release button is off, pressing the externally connected footswitch will decay the sound at the rate set up by amp envelope release knob. Right now Repro-5 doesn't do that, it just holds high sustain and that's it. Which I guess is fine, too. But somehow I like the Prophet-5 behavior, because not all sounds are supposed to sustain indefinitely even with sustain pedal pressed (i.e. a piano). Right?


EDIT: Actually, this would be definitely possible in Repro-5 as is, if only we had Sustain pedal available in the matrix as modulation source! Why not? We have modwheel, breath, expression, aftertouch... sustain pedal would be an additional "toggle" modulator, seems useful.

[Urs]

BTW, here's a question for Urs.


What happened to Prophet-5's Release button? I know it's sorta related to sustain pedal, but it kinda seems pretty useful for performance, too (without forcing us to MIDI learn the amp release knob, since that wouldn't really work the same way across all presets, for obvious reasons).

For performance on a hardware machine with limited number of presets, yes, but for a plug-in... I mean, we swapped the KeyTrack on/off button for a proper pot and all that.

I still get it for Minimoog-style envelopes where Decay and Release share the same knob. But in this instant I really don't think it makes much sense.

Gotcha.

It's just, according to Prophet-5 manual, when Release button is off, pressing the externally connected footswitch will decay the sound at the rate set up by amp envelope release knob. Right now Repro-5 doesn't do that, it just holds high sustain and that's it. Which I guess is fine, too. But somehow I like the Prophet-5 behavior, because not all sounds are supposed to sustain indefinitely even with sustain pedal pressed (i.e. a piano). Right?

Shit, we're f**ked.

[EvilDragon]

Hehe. Sure have a bit of laugh. I'm laughing with you.

I added a bit of an edit to the post, so perhaps something for consideration?

[Urs]

I added a bit of an edit to the post, so perhaps something for consideration?

Maybe we can make it a chip preset for the envelopes.

Not sure how important it really is, we'll discuss it.

[Greggers]

a person's worth is not determined by their ability to make a good patch on a computer synthesizer. You are crossing your wires friend

I didn't mean that or whatever it is you're implying and I'm afraid it's you who's crossing wires. for a fact, you said the patch Walter did sounds horrible, in fact, you said all but Howard's sound shit, and I said it's not fair to Walter to say that, because his take is not horrible at all. So in my opinion, you was indeed unfair to him by saying that. That's all. If you listen to the studio record, he's got pretty close, there's still work to do, yes, but he did not do "horrible" at all, that's for sure. That's all. "Person's worth" and all that - that's your own interpretations.

"Horrible" tag is a tad of judgemental thinking from your side that went too far.

No, you are not correct. And I still would like to hear you prove your point with something more materia... with a better patch, shall I say. Both Howard's and Walter's, and also my patches can be improved in comparison to studio, so why don't you try it, eh? C'mon, don't make excuses, who ever wants to hear them anyway.

[Greggers]

Urs, your hope no one would mention emulating Rev 2 for a while was fairly short-lived, I have to say

[tasmaniandevil]

when I offline bounce in live 10 beta, at 2secs there will be a buffer-style skip, regardless of MC/HQ and live buffer settings. I have a fast enough machine (4.3ghz imac quad i7 32gb ram), and there's no popping during live playback/recording.

I have tried to reproduce this for a while, but so far wasn't able to get that problem over here.

A couple of questions:
* Are you using the AU or the VST version of Repro-5?
* Do you have a single instance of the plugin loaded or multiple?
* Do you have your MIDI notes created in Session view or in Arranger view?
* Are you using any special bounce/render settings?
* Do you have the name of a preset from the included library where this always happens?

I'll keep trying to figure out the problem, but any additional info would be much appreciated, since I am currently scratching my head about this one.

[Urs]

Urs, your hope no one would mention emulating Rev 2 for a while was fairly short-lived, I have to say

It was inevitable. Glad I survived a few days without. Gave me enough time to put together some pretext against it, e.g. lack of availability of SSM 2040 chips.

[fmr]

"Poly" setting is supposed to be used to match the Prophet-5 u-he modelled. Other settings are Pro-One filters (so, from Repro-1).


I am also going through the patch sheets and things are sounding pretty much how they should sound. Of course your Repro-1 tweaks for brass sound would sound different because gain staging and modulation ranges in Pro-One are vastly different from those of Prophet-5



Also, do NOT forget to set the max polyphony to 5 when using unison, in order to match the patch sheets!

Yes, that's what I am using (and I also DID place the polyphony at 5 )

[Greggers]

Urs, your hope no one would mention emulating Rev 2 for a while was fairly short-lived, I have to say

It was inevitable. Glad I survived a few days without. Gave me enough time to put together some pretext against it, e.g. lack of availability of SSM 2040 chips.

good one! not only we are darn good at programming, we're cracking jokes every now and then!

[Ingonator]

For someone that has used Arturia Prophet since around 10 years or more i hate to admit that overall it indeed seems to sound inferior compared to Repro-5 with the same patches dialed in.
This is especially true for big PWM pads/strings where Repro-5 could just sounds BIG even without a Chorus added.

Attached to this post is a Repro-5 patch based n the "1-2 Low Strings" factory preset using the original patch sheet parameters in the manual and the Cutoff slightly increased. Like in the real thing the Modhweel sets the PWM amount and the patch sheet suggests using between 25 and 33%.
Personally i also like adding the external ERS DimD Chorus based on the Roland Dimension D. The Dimension D makes the sound bigger while it does not "destroy" the basic sound as much as more "colored" Chorus effect does.

[billypalmier]

I have to say. It's good. Not getting rid of any hardware just yet but it's just as much fun. great!
Made quickly a short track. Repro only, including drums.

https://soundcloud.com/billypalmier/repro-only-test