U-He wavetable synth?

[VariKusBrainZ]

As you've got Codex already I reckon you've got a more powerful version of Live 10's Wavetable, as I believe Ableton's veresion doesn't allow 3rd party wavetable importing (yet anyway)

Oh, I know! My post was a not-so-clever (and now pretty obvious) attempt to get Urs to maybe comment on the rumoured co-op with Bitwig

I guess Bitwig does not have the money.

Ask Ableton. (At least they were able to pay Cytomic)

Plus they seem to keep all development in house, with the exception of content

[antic604]

As you've got Codex already I reckon you've got a more powerful version of Live 10's Wavetable, as I believe Ableton's veresion doesn't allow 3rd party wavetable importing (yet anyway)

Oh, I know! My post was a not-so-clever (and now pretty obvious) attempt to get Urs to maybe comment on the rumoured co-op with Bitwig

I guess Bitwig does not have the money.

Ask Ableton. (At least they were able to pay Cytomic)

...and Applied Acoustics! Collision, Electric & Tension are their synths created for Ableton, which are criminally overlooked when talking about Live, as they're extremely fun & versatile and complement Analog & Operator very well.

[2ZrgE]

Yes, people tend to underrate those AAS synths because there's no fancy GUI within Live.

[toby]

rumoured co-op with Bitwig

Hahaha, where did you get that from?

I've seen speculation on the forums since the Bitwig cross promotion a couple of months ago.

Hah, ok. But that was our third cross promotion in two years and we're just way to busy with our own stuff to ever do something with anybody else.

What about some sort of licensing deal where they would license certain filters and elements from U-he to use in their upcoming modular system? Something that would require not as much manpower from your team (I have no idea about coding so this might actually require a lot of work). Similar to what Cytomic did with Ableton.

[Urs]

What about some sort of licensing deal where they would license certain filters and elements from U-he to use in their upcoming modular system? Something that would require not as much manpower from your team (I have no idea about coding so this might actually require a lot of work). Similar to what Cytomic did with Ableton.

We almost got to the point where we licensed something to some DAW manufacturer once. While it is good money... as long as we don't desperately need it, I don't even feel like ever spending time to negotiate a contract and stuff, let alone make it actually work for them.

It sounds simple, but the amount of work that goes into this is trememdous. It's not like copying a bunch of files on a USB stick and handing that over.

[glokraw]

It's not like copying a bunch of files on a USB stick and handing that over.

The Komplete Ultimate Krew kinda got that business plan kovered

Hey, thanks for the coupon, really enjoying LyreBird in my linux setup,
it even has some synth-like thing that comes with it
Cheers

[nichttuntun]

May be some classic Wavetable/Wavescanning oscillator in Diva?

Hi,
I think that would be a dress that absolutely doesn´t suits the DIVA well. Wavetables are used in digital Synth like the ones WALDORF built back in the days (also see BLOFELD). DIVA is a synth which emulates analog gear.
Cheers

[pdxindy]

May be some classic Wavetable/Wavescanning oscillator in Diva?

Hi,
I think that would be a dress that absolutely doesn´t suits the DIVA well. Wavetables are used in digital Synth like the ones WALDORF built back in the days (also see BLOFELD). DIVA is a synth which emulates analog gear.
Cheers

Diva already has the Digital Osc which was modeled after a digital synth... Oh, and a couple of the Waldorfs had Wavetable Osc's and Analog Filters... which would fit Diva pretty well.

not that I am advocating for a wavetable Osc in Diva...

[maximoog]

I think there are now more than enough synthesizers with wavetable synthesis. There is no longer a VST synth without delivered.

What I miss in the VSTi market is a modern synthesizer with wavesequencing and vector synthesis.

Korgs Wavestation is now obsolete, xPhraze has not existed for a long time and Wusikstation is very buggy and complicated.

Of course, this synthesizer must be able to play multisamples in the waveseqeuncer and you must also be able to create your own multisamples.

However, that would already go near a software sampler and I believe Urs has not so much interest in a sample based synthesizer at the moment.

[Ingonator]

May be some classic Wavetable/Wavescanning oscillator in Diva?

Hi,
I think that would be a dress that absolutely doesn´t suits the DIVA well. Wavetables are used in digital Synth like the ones WALDORF built back in the days (also see BLOFELD). DIVA is a synth which emulates analog gear.
Cheers

Well there were multiple wavetable synths with real analog filters like e.g. PPG Wave 2.2/2.3, Waldorf Microwave 1, Waldorf Wave, Waldorf Q+ and also the upcoming Waldorf Quantum "flagship" hardware synth (work in progress) will again include a real analog filter.
Waldorf also offers the "nw1" Eurorack wavetable osc module in combination with a real analog Eurorack VCF module that was shown at this years Musikmesse. Besides that Waldorf also offers the "2-Pole" hardware analog filter box with a LPF/BPF/HPF multimode filter.

There were multiple other digital/analog hybrid synths like e.g. SCI Prophet VS, Korg DW-8000, Ensoniq ESQ-1/SQ-80 and others. Currently i still got both an ESQ-1 and DW-8000 here (besides Waldorf Blofeld, Waldorf Pulse 2, Waldorf Streichfett and all their plugins...).

[pdxindy]

I think there are now more than enough synthesizers with wavetable synthesis. There is no longer a VST synth without delivered.

There are quite a few wavetable synths these days... But there is not one that for me just says yes. I think there is plenty of room for improvement still.

I like Icarus and get some good sounds out of it. But its sound quality could be better. The GUI is not my favorite and the modulation is a bit annoying. Serum I find cold and clinical though the technical sound quality is high. Serum also has no function to blend between wavetables. Wavemapper I like, but the GUI is finicky, so is preset handling and the filters are ehh.

Zebra is the u-he wavetable synth... but it does not have built in resynthesis. I don't know how much development will happen with the wavetable functionality in Zebra 3, but there is plenty of room in the wavetable synth world for another wavetable synth. One with the top notch u-he filters, great modulation, midi handling (Serum does not even support expression pedal), good preset handling, MPE support and the usual u-he magic.

[knowix]

The BIG reason to put a vintage wavetable/rompler oscillator into Diva is that people are already unsurprised by high resource requirements in Diva.

More expert DSP heads can go into more detail, but the old wavetable synths and samplers used variable sample rates. They basically outputted the samples faster or slower, to play higher or lower pitches, rather than discarding parts of the waveform or spoofing extra portions. If I'm not reading things wrong, this creates a counterintuitive aliasing effect - the low notes end up with aliasing artefacts and the high notes don't. I imagine to simulate this in a plugin would require the oscillator module to at least be heavily oversampled for the higher notes.

[Ah_Dziz]

The standard oscillators in zebra are wavetable oscillators while probably not using sample data like many of the super old synths people often refer to when they're talking about wavetable synths. They are a table of waves which can be freely morphed between. That's about as wavetabley as it gets as far as I'm concerned. That's before you even start playing with the oscillator effects. I can't wait to see if they support importing/ analysis of files in their oscillators when Z3 comes out, but I can use alchemy or serum if I wanna do that anyway.

[EvilDragon]

Actually oscillators in Zebra are processed as grains rather than wavetables. This is what Osc FX is also based on, granular processing.

[Ah_Dziz]

Actually oscillators in Zebra are processed as grains rather than wavetables. This is what Osc FX is also based on, granular processing.

Spiffy. Sure it's not fft stuff? The way the partials can be freely drawn and the harmonic nature of most of the osc fx seems like it would have been based off of manipulation of fft bins rather than grains of audio. Either way. They work as well or better than wavetables for the type of sounds I usually associate with wavetable synthesis, so I don't really see the need for much more in that direction.

Unless Urs wants to let us have more than 8 waves (or allow for direct analysis of imported files) I'm good as is.