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Fleer wrote:
JerGoertz wrote:Anyone who's pissed off at Slate and wants to sell me their FG-Stress license cheap? ;)
Quite to the contrary. Slate FG-Stress is the absolute best comp in my book, together with FabFilter Pro C2.
I doubt anyone is referring to my input on this, but as usual, I won't let that stop me from rambling a bit about it anyway.

I'm not pissed at Slate, I just gave them a demerit. I have sort an unwritten ordering of companies in my mind and some are at the front and some are at the back. Getting a demerit moves you further to the back. Of course, slate was already towards the back of the line anyay:

1) Cheezy marketing (that's like five demerits right off the bat)

2) Unnecessary plugin bloat centered around marketing their plugins. The bloat is only one or two demerits, but the built in marketing engine for other plugins makes this at least five. IK's the same. Here comes the cluebat, I have no f**king interest in shopping while I'm using tools to make music! Save that shit for the email campaign, I have an email all setup just for music vendors, with a real name and everything. I'm not a dick about it so you don't be a dick about it as well.

3) Too much "magic" in stuff that is just average. This relates to (1), but if you can't talk technically about your product without resorting to "magic" language then I just assume that you're covering things up. It may not be true, but it doesn't matter, and I don't care, you still get the demerit.

4) Subscription plan. Any company with a subscription plan gets an automatic demerit, no exceptions.

Too many demerits and you earn "Least favored vendor" status which comes with a very specific limitation, namely, I will not give you any money until you are able to shed that status.

Since there's no harm in it, I don't mind name a "least favored vendor", yes, it was Cakewalk. Their early Windows software (which I paid real cash money for) was total shit and that got them almost to the bottom. They get less of a pass than other vendors because I bought their software based on how well their DOS software worked, quality betrayal is the fastpath to the bottom. The absolute shitty worthlessness of some early LE version of their DAW pushed them right to the edge and then the total shitpile of a plugin called "Studio Instruments" earned them the status. Yes, it was my fault that I purchased it, again, don't give a f**k, I paid for it, but Cakewalk gets the demerit for selling such a shitty piece of shit for the price they were asking, that shit should have been < $5. This all happened before 2010. I gave them the time of day earlier this year by downloading their free LA2 compressor. It's ok, I've used it, it probably won't make the transition to my new studio machines given their recent demise. But that's all you get if you have LFV status, I MIGHT download your free stuff IF you do a great job with it. In fairness, their support was awesome, but I'm not surprised that they went under, that writing has been on the wall for a long time.

Slate isn't close to LFV, it's hard to get there without me spending some money first, but, they are below the threshold to be moved to the new machines.

The thing with a vendor's status on my list is that it impacts my perceived value of their products. I didn't buy VTC@$49 because Slate was already well below the $15/plugin threshold for me. They are at roughly $8-$10/plugin. If other vendors had released the exact same product for the same price I might have purchased it.

Of course, there is a "most favored vendor" status and a few vendors, mostly small devs, have that status for me. I buy their products at small to no discounts and will choose them first to risk buying into new ideas.

Things that move you up the list:

1) Great customer service

2) Awesome freebies with little to no marketing strings attached. (Looking at you Sonokinetic) Of course you can have my real name, my email address, and of course you can send me email with your announcements and deals. But, your goodwill gets instantly killed if you want me to like your facebook page or subscribe to your youtube/twitter feeds.

3) Fantastic technology that you openly talk about (looking at you Uhe). I don't expect you to give away secrets, but you avoid making up "magic" to explain things.

4) No C/R that tracks installations in a practically limiting way. Generally, you have to be a big company for me to accept C/R, not always, but usually.

So anyway, I've ranted enough with my "opinions", but I don't hate Slate, they just aren't interesting enough to me to give them much money and bad customer service, which I feel was demonstrated, just pushes them down a bit further. Sorry, no FG-Stress plugins to sell.

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dangayle wrote:
mgw38 wrote:
shonky wrote:Does anyone know if the preorder upgrade to Ableton 10 requires payment upfront or is the money paid only when it finally becomes available?
No money upfront needed. You pay when it becomes available.
I tried to do it, but the entire transaction looked like it was going to charge me the full price. Made it all the way to the PayPal screen before I bailed.
Same here. I think someone is wrong.

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The Ableton Knowledge Base insists that no payment upfront is needed:

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... Order-FAQ-
kitekrazy wrote:
dangayle wrote:
mgw38 wrote:
shonky wrote:Does anyone know if the preorder upgrade to Ableton 10 requires payment upfront or is the money paid only when it finally becomes available?
No money upfront needed. You pay when it becomes available.
I tried to do it, but the entire transaction looked like it was going to charge me the full price. Made it all the way to the PayPal screen before I bailed.
Same here. I think someone is wrong.
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Stellar post Ghetto. I completely agree. Completely. Like I keep saying, we and many other value shoppers here have the same views. Even though we pursue value pricing we still have a lot more that goes into our purchasing decisions than they think. And perception is a huge one for many.

Sadly I heard back from Slate today that they are not deciding in my favor in this request. I've typed up one last reply explaining my thoughts on the matter in the hopes they will take some constructive input for their and their customers' future benefit. We'll see...

For now I've said I'd hold off on sharing my reaction further on KVR pending their reconsideration. I of course hope to post positively of their reconsideration tomorrow and leave it at that. But I'm prepared to share my email to them here should they decide otherwise.

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greenfly wrote:
Rational wrote:
Still thinking of grabbing the AAS Modeling Collection for $99 finally. Good deal right there for 6 plugs.
Anyone know what is needed to get this for $99? Must be an upgrade. How long is the offer open?

Thanks.

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What about that new $89 Concert Brass bundle deal from Kirk Hunter?

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Fleer wrote:What about that new $89 Concert Brass bundle deal from Kirk Hunter?
NO NO NO! No more Kirk Hunter stuff. I'm saving my money for Sonokinetic!!!!! :x :help:

I don't need any more brass. Or strings for that matter. Now woodwinds? :love:

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Fleer wrote:What about that new $89 Concert Brass bundle deal from Kirk Hunter?
If you like the „Kirk Hunter“-sound, you can‘t go wrong with that price. I personally find KH‘s libraries... well... they‘re obviously created with enthusiasm, are usually well-featured, but soundwise rather poor to my aging ears, hard to mix-and-match with my other libraries (a bit of Spitfire, a bit of Sonokinetic, a bit of Project Sam), and a lot of the features/articulations that look good on a spec sheet don‘t perform too well in the real world.

Opinions seem to be very divided on KH, and there‘s probably a ton of people who get great results from his libraries, I‘m just not one of them and would rather save for something Spitfire when needing brass.

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Thanks! Spitfire is many times more expensive though. And I do like Kirk Hunter Concert Strings 3 very much.

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Fleer wrote:Thanks! Spitfire is many times more expensive though. And I do like Kirk Hunter Concert Strings 3 very much.
Then I reckon you´ll be happy with Concert Brass. As much as I personally loathe KH libraries´ sound, they follow the same aesthetic consistently and blend well with other KH libraries.

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Fleer wrote:What about that new $89 Concert Brass bundle deal from Kirk Hunter?
I think Kirk Hunter's stuff is awesome and you won't sound like everybody else. Very playable samples and $89 is a great price.

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MIDICH1 wrote:
Fleer wrote:What about that new $89 Concert Brass bundle deal from Kirk Hunter?
I think Kirk Hunter's stuff is awesome and you won't sound like everybody else. Very playable samples and $89 is a great price.
So I looked. It does sound good. I think there are about 13 days left to think about it..... If you get it, let us know how you like it.

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Well, still in BF mood. Got it and .... love it. Thanks, epiphaneia, you were absolutely right. Blends very well with Kirk Hunter Concert Strings, as if they're made for each other. So thanks for your help, which I really appreciate.
@dzilizzi, have a look at this recently made intro vid, gives you the sound signature so you're able to check the GUI and see if you like it:

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ghettosynth wrote: 4) Subscription plan. Any company with a subscription plan gets an automatic demerit, no exceptions.
Meh - go away old man (or woman). It's the future - bring it on. I would easily trade the 5-10K I've spent with certain individual companies, for a $25 / month subscription for every product that company has, all upgrades / updates, and access to all new products, and ability to just unsubscribe when I no longer use their products.

Why on earth am I spending $1000 on a string library knowing that 1) I may not really like it after 2 or 3 months 2) just blew what would have cost $300 for a year for every product that company has instead of the single library I got. That probably can't be resold. That probably doesn't cover future updates. That may be discontinued in a year or 2. Will probably be bettered by another product in a year or two.

Who here wouldn't opt for every single Spitfire library if they did a $50 a month subscription? That's $600 a year for $10,000+ in content. It's a complete no-brainer. It would be the cost of basically one of their libraries per year, for their ENTIRE catalog. What is wrong in your head that this is a problem? Ha. By the time you even paid enough in subscriptions to counter what you would have paid to buy the individual libraries you did use (or want), it would be years down the road, when the libraries are obsolete anyway, and you would have been upgrading / buying new ones. Hell - I've bought about $4K worth of their products over the last couple years. A few of them I've already started using less and less...and am now looking to purchase some newer releases. If I had had a $50 subscription option at the beginning, I would have only spent about $1500 at this point, and wouldn't have to be budgeting for what to get next.

Bring on subscriptions! As someone who invests about $10K a year in libraries already, having a couple grand in various subscriptioins per year...allowing me access to way more content...my bank will thank you.

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Fleer wrote:Well, still in BF mood. Got it and .... love it. Thanks, epiphaneia, you were absolutely right. Blends very well with Kirk Hunter Concert Strings, as if they're made for each other. So thanks for your help, which I really appreciate.
@dzilizzi, have a look at this recently made intro vid, gives you the sound signature so you're able to check the GUI and see if you like it:
I watched it - that was when I started thinking maybe I need it if it is good LOL! I guess the good thing about buying a lot of the Sonokinetic deals last year, I only really want Grosso or Maximo. So I may have some money to spend on this. I laugh about this because really? I can use Sonokinetic products because they are phrases. So easy to use. Real instruments are a little iffy for my as I have no idea how to properly use them.

And thanks for the feedback. Good to know it actually sounds good

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