Repro-5 public beta (Repro V1.1)

[AnX]

When is an emulation of a vintage hardware synth still a respectful adaption and when does it turn into a cartoon?

When you add five effects?

[Urs]

When is an emulation of a vintage hardware synth still a respectful adaption and when does it turn into a cartoon?

When you add five effects?

I don't see how adding an effects section applies, as opposed to adding more filters, envelopes, LFOs, waveforms, samples, synthesis methods.

[jasonekratz]

Effects have nothing to do with it IMHO (agreeing with Urs). Free to not use them theoretically it does nothing to the sound of the emulation vs adding stuff "directly" in the signal path.

My opinion? If you stick close to the original but add a few things (extra waveform or two....maybe being able to select two at once...maybe an xtra LFO or more modulation options) it's fine. But if you start really overdoing it then its not an emulation anymore.

[zerocrossing]

I just stumbled across a pretty bad bug. In Bitwig 2.2 64 bit (latest), I made my own patch and saved, shut down, but I didn't save the preset. Upon reopening the project this morning, I saw the meter of Repro-5's channel was pegged, but no sound was coming from my monitors. I'd get pops when changing presets, but nothing I did would actually make the plugin make an audible sound. I tried changing most everything but only deleting and reloading the plugin would make it work again. I got a loud pop when I deleted it.

[Sycopation]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered (I'm not scrolling through 58 pages!).

I own Repro-1. When I install the full non-beta version when it's released ~12/12/17, will it overwrite my favorite patches?

Thanks.

[AnX]

When is an emulation of a vintage hardware synth still a respectful adaption and when does it turn into a cartoon?

When you add five effects?

I don't see how adding an effects section applies, as opposed to adding more filters, envelopes, LFOs, waveforms, samples, synthesis methods.

Why have them at all then? They were not on the original, so they must be there for a reason... its easy to see why velocity and at are in, they are performance features. A rack of fx i dont get, just like a MM or 57 lfo's if you're trying to stay authentic while allowing for modern needs.

[AnX]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered (I'm not scrolling through 58 pages!).

I own Repro-1. When I install the full non-beta version when it's released ~12/12/17, will it overwrite my favorite patches?

Thanks.

Always best to back stuff up, even if the answer is no.

[EvilDragon]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered (I'm not scrolling through 58 pages!).

I own Repro-1. When I install the full non-beta version when it's released ~12/12/17, will it overwrite my favorite patches?

Thanks.

Nope, Repro-5 presets go in their own folder.

[ghettosynth]

When is an emulation of a vintage hardware synth still a respectful adaption and when does it turn into a cartoon? In my subjective view we went pretty much as far as we could.

At precisely the point at which fewer people purchase the synth than would otherwise. I think that there's a diminishing return for additional features. Four mod slots would be great, so would six, or eight, but the additional value after four is probably not as great as going from two to four. Per voice LFO is huge, second LFO is great, third LFO, now we're getting silly. Per voice LFO doesn't really need the main screen to change, just a few tweaks on the tweaks page. Five voices is pure, eight isn't, twelve makes any synth a much better pad machine, sixteen even more so, but not as much gain as the jump to twelve.

But then, I really don't care about pure emulation and could give two shits about "respectful adaptation." I realize that I'm in the minority of consumers however.

[DHR53]

Er, I'm a little late to the party, but I Dld the Repro1/5 beta and in Live 9.7.5 on my Quad core I-7 with 16 gig of ram the cpu is going to 50% on Repro 5... with a pad of course, but steadily running way up there. These both sound way above the rest IMHO but. Will this improve on the final versions???

Repro 1 is much better (cpu wise), but still a serious hit. Did I mention how good they sound though? Ha!

[zerocrossing]

When is an emulation of a vintage hardware synth still a respectful adaption and when does it turn into a cartoon? In my subjective view we went pretty much as far as we could.

At precisely the point at which fewer people purchase the synth than would otherwise. I think that there's a diminishing return for additional features. Four mod slots would be great, so would six, or eight, but the additional value after four is probably not as great as going from two to four. Per voice LFO is huge, second LFO is great, third LFO, now we're getting silly. Per voice LFO doesn't really need the main screen to change, just a few tweaks on the tweaks page. Five voices is pure, eight isn't, twelve makes any synth a much better pad machine, sixteen even more so, but not as much gain as the jump to twelve.

But then, I really don't care about pure emulation and could give two shits about "respectful adaptation." I realize that I'm in the minority of consumers however.

I don't think so. A few years ago I did a poll on Gearslutz as to what people preferred, straight emulations/reissues, or new instruments and reissues that went a lot further than the originals, and the numbers were clear. People mostly wanted instruments that went beyond the originals by a pretty big margin. Maybe the people who want straight 1:1 emulations are just the noisiest.

Frankly, I don't get it. When any instrument is made, be it hardware or software, the instrument designer wants to make the instrument they imagine in their head. Of course, reality butts up against our dreams, so compromises are made. If you don't think that Dave Smith wanted effects, velocity and aftertouch on the Prophet 5, then why would he have added them to the Prophet 6 and all his latest instruments? The technology of the time just plain and simply wasn't able to include all those functions and keep the price at something he felt would sell. Wanting to limit new instruments or emulations of the originals just seems really close minded, and kind of the antithesis of what I feel synthesis is all about.

[zerocrossing]

Er, I'm a little late to the party, but I Dld the Repro1/5 beta and in Live 9.7.5 on my Quad core I-7 with 16 gig of ram the cpu is going to 50% on Repro 5... with a pad of course, but steadily running way up there. These both sound way above the rest IMHO but. Will this improve on the final versions???

Repro 1 is much better (cpu wise), but still a serious hit. Did I mention how good they sound though? Ha!

Push the MC (Multi Core) button and back away from the HQ button (unnecessary for most sounds) and you should be good to go. It's greedy but useable and worth it, IMO.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I don't think so. A few years ago I did a poll on Gearslutz as to what people preferred, straight emulations/reissues, or new instruments and reissues that went a lot further than the originals, and the numbers were clear. People mostly wanted instruments that went beyond the originals by a pretty big margin. Maybe the people who want straight 1:1 emulations are just the noisiest.

Frankly, I don't get it. When any instrument is made, be it hardware or software, the instrument designer wants to make the instrument they imagine in their head. Of course, reality butts up against our dreams, so compromises are made. If you don't think that Dave Smith wanted effects, velocity and aftertouch on the Prophet 5, then why would he have added them to the Prophet 6 and all his latest instruments? The technology of the time just plain and simply wasn't able to include all those functions and keep the price at something he felt would sell. Wanting to limit new instruments or emulations of the originals just seems really close minded, and kind of the antithesis of what I feel synthesis is all about.

Right, but in this case you already got aftertouch, amp/filter velocity, two mod slots, effects, more voices, a tweaks page. It's much more than just a Prophet-5. And in this case, the instrument designer's are the U-he team. They clearly made the synth they wanted to make. And it's already an expanded version of the original. You could add another oscillator, a second LFO, another filter, and more modulation slots, and at some point it would just stop being a Prophet-5 emulation. I think U-he has enough sales data to support the idea that some folks want emulations of classic synths, and some people want Zebra and Bazille. As a company, they offer both types of products. But what they haven't done to date is offer a 1:1 reproduction of an analog synth. There's always been extras added.

[braj]

I have other synths that can sound like a Prophet 5, but once you start changing things in the patch, like modulating the filter, they don't. What I want in an emulation is for it to behave like the original. I don't want a 62 MGA to drive like a Toyota Camry. I think the added effects are great, and the tweaks panel is great, but I also think the limitations of the front panel are great too. It isn't a Prophet 6 emulation. It is a time machine to me. Add more effects or add more tweaks, I'm cool with that, but keep it as close to a Prophet as possible otherwise.

[krismiller1982]

1:1 with the ability to turn on and off modifications that have been done to the orginal synths is what I want... For everything else there’s Zebra.