Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

[ENV1]

Hey Will,

Ive read that this is only the beginning of a bigger thing...anything you can say about whats in the pipeline?

[Vortifex]

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[focusrite]

Will it be possible to use multiple instances (like software synths) or does it work like any hardware synth where 1 synth = 1 instance?

So if I make a song and want to use 3 instances of Trueno, do I need to buy 3 of those USB sticks?

Yes, you can use as many instances of the VST/AU as you want, only one can output sound at a time. So, the usual workflow is to bounce the audio output as you go along (with the built in recording function). This means you can always go back to an instance to change something later and re-record.

Unfortunately the software doesn't currently support more than 1 USB stick. But that's something that I could easily add, I'm just not sure it would work very nicely.

Would it be an idea to build your plugin as a facsimile of the hardware (and output sound) which can be used to build parts before plugging in the real thing to print? It would save a lot of workflow issues I can foresee.

You could also give the plugin away free as a route into buying the stick?

[foosnark]

Long list of attempted rebuttals

As most of your own points indicate: this is a hardware/software combination with:
-- all of the disadvantages of software.
-- few of the advantages of software (preset recall)
-- many of the disadvantages of hardware.
-- few of the advantages of hardware (analog oscillators and apparently a Polivoks clone filter).

On a certain level, and for the right kind of musician it's still kind of clever anyway. Something to add to a 100% software-based setup with minimal disruption and no additional gear/space needed.

For me, it's a thing that won't run on my machine, that isn't nearly as fun or powerful as synths I already have.

[Vortifex]

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[EvilDragon]

I work at 48k (without exceptions!), how would Trueno fit my workflow?

You'd have to record all the output in 44.1K project then import and resample into your main project - so not very easily unfortunately! We could add internal resampling into the plugin if that's a widely requested feature, but didn't originally because it adds latency and I thought it would be better to allow users to choose their resampling algorithm.

Damn! It's a pass for me then... It was too complicated to have a more flexible ADC implemented on it, that could cover multiple SRs?


I mean... Reaper has on-the-fly resampling, but still it would have been much much better if Trueno supported all the common sample rates up to 96k out of the box...

[egbert101]

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[wagtunes]

You know, the more I think about this, with all its limitation, who needs it?

I sure as hell don't.

[egbert101]

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[urlwolf]

Would this work on linux?
If you follow gearslutz, there's an army of people that moved 'out of the box' (OTB) that now would have one fewer reason to do it.
Really curious about what this will mean overall.

[ckoe]

Very interesting product and not expensive. I love to work only in the box, but with this I can say: "Hey, I've real analog sound in my track"

[sin night]

Interesting idea, I see it as a modern take on the old rack versions of the synths (though I wouldn't mind something bigger than a dongle, if it contains nice circuits and it offers proper integration with the daw).

There are just a few things that concern me:

- the lack of an analog output: since the instrument is analog, I think that it wouldn't be that difficult to add a minijack for output (it's easier to process the sound with external devices and it makes the synth more future-safe for that day when the software won't be able to run on a certain operating system).

- the strong dependency on software (part 1): I don't understant know if a proprietary driver is required only on Windows (while on OSX it runs out of the box? or the driver is included in the OSX installer, too?), but I wish for something like this to be plug'n'play, so it can run on Linux or it can be attached to a standalone host device like those by iConnectivity (then add an analog out on minijack for a compact rack setup: a Midi4+ supports up to 8 usb devices with a usb hub, so I can dream a setup of 8 synth in a space comparable to a rack unit).

- the strong dependency on software (part 2): the strong integration with a daw is great and desiderable, but I'd like to be able to edit it also with standard midi messages (maybe using a webpage on a webmidi enabled browser? obviously, I'd like to store the page locally on the computer - I don't ask for a webserver inside the device, that could be a can of worms and probably out of the scope of the device), so it's less tied to a particular platform (operating system version, daw version, plugin format...)


I think this is a cool idea, it makes sense especially in a (mostly) itb setup, but I worry about the software part, I think that it needs a proper standard (that's why I mentioned midi controls and webmidi) so it could be still used in a 15-20 years span (given that usb is still around! ) even if it's not supported anymore on the daw (or whatever else) we will be using to make music.

If you look at something as the Roland Boutiques, while they require a driver (and I wonder how long it will be supported) and so they don't work with somehing like the iConnect Midi4+ (thumbs down for Roland, I hate this!), they have at least midi and audio connectors, so they are not tied to a specific operating system and you can use them standalone as any other synth).

If I need a computer/ipad/midi controller to edit the thing (like the D-05... but I find the SE-02 quite small, too), then I won't mind at all a more compact format like a usb stick, as long as I'm not tied on a proprietary software to use it.

Synths are not a commodity for me, they are not like a soundcard that I can replace when it becomes unsupported, they are my sound, so long-time support and compatibility really matter to me. I'm mostly otb (at least synth-wise), that's probably where some of my concerns come from.


Just my 2 cents, of course. I hope this idea has the chance to be developed and to grow to a mature solution, I think it can have a place along with the classic keyboard format (keyboards for main synths/performance, usb sticks for secondary synths/sequencing/flight-friendly setups...).

[fisherKing]

am pretty sure i'll check it out once it reaches the US; i like the idea of it, work 44/24, and am probably going to buy my nexus 2 anyway (thus killing the elicenser usb dongle). when i say 'kill' i mean kill....

[chk071]

If you follow gearslutz, there's an army of people that moved 'out of the box' (OTB) that now would have one fewer reason to do it.

But then, they're gearslutz. I figure the majority of them think it is a really good thing to be out of the box.

[egbert101]

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