KVR Audio

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:54 pm

This is all about analog hw hype, anyone buying this must believe analog sounds better than software just for the sake of being analog. So in that sense this products success depends on that premise.

As many have said already the beauty of HW is the physical UI, wihtout it for me is the same to launch diva, repro or this truene stuff inside my DAW, and Trueno has more limitations.

And then I think developers haven't considered future maintenance for the software. I owned an elektron analog keys and I have used the virus ti, looking at how much time those companies took to develop and deliver a working version of their USB through a plugin software I can assume it is expensive, difficult and hard to get it right. There is still people complaning about how Overbridge doesn't work on their system. And then apple compes and updates macOS every year breaking stuff and developers have to mantain compatibility.

This is where this product will break, too many maintenance costs for the developer, it eventually will be abandoned.

And I bet when people load it and compare it to the best emulations outhere they are going to really question why they are using a USB port for this.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:02 pm

rod_zero wrote:This is all about analog hw hype, anyone butying this must believe analog sounds better than software just for the sake of being analog. So in that sense this products success depends on that premise.

As many have said already the beauty of HW is the physical UI, wihtout it for me is the same to launch diva, repro or this truene stuff inside my DAW, and Trueno has more limitations.

And then I think developers haven't considered future maintenance for the software. I owned an elektron analog keys and I have used the virus ti, looking at how much time those companies took to develop and deliver a working version of their USB through a plugin software I can assume it is expensive, difficult and hard to get it right. There is still people complaning about how Overbridge doesn't work on their system. And then apple compes and updates macOS every year breaking stuff and developers have to mantain compatibility.

This is where this product will break, too many maintenance costs for the developer, it eventually will be abandoned.

And I bet when people load it and compare it to the best emulations outhere they are going to really question why they are using a USB port for this.

all theory & speculation on your part. why do people tear stuff apart before they've heard it, seen it, or at least read reviews?

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:11 pm

ghettosynth wrote:Why? Unless I'm missing something, that would be a reasonably approach. The LFOs and EGs are not (analog) hardware, for that there is absolutely isn't enough hardware there on the chip,

Well i can only speak for myself and personally i just wouldnt want some half-assed thing thats really 50% plugin.

(The software is fine as an interface and for preset storage/recall but the action has to be in the hardware.)

As to the board, there are 13 big chips on the visible side alone and there may be more underneath. (The chassis certainly seems big enough for either a second board or a second layer of parts at the underside.) There is also one spot where you can clearly see a D with what appears to be an O to its left, so i wouldnt be surprised if this turned out to spell 'MOD', which would most likely mean the EGs and LFOs. (Hard to be sure, so far the only open-chassis pic available seems to be the one that was posted earlier in this thread.)

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:42 pm

fisherKing wrote:
all theory & speculation on your part. why do people tear stuff apart before they've heard it, seen it, or at least read reviews?

Well I am making a prediction based on what other developers have gone trough. There isn't a single text on their website that indicate they understand the problem of maintenance for this kind of implementation.

Vertion · Post by **Vertion** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 pm

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:59 pm

Tin foil hats for sale, get them while they're hot!

Vertion · Post by **Vertion** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:08 pm

braj wrote:Tin foil hats for sale, get them while they're hot!

Why are you selling tin foil hats? If you are alluding to foolishness, don't let me stop you.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:28 pm

Vertion wrote:
braj wrote:Tin foil hats for sale, get them while they're hot!
Why are you selling tin foil hats? If you are alluding to foolishness, don't let me stop you.

It seems you are in the market for one, I thought I'd make a buck or two

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:46 pm

rod_zero wrote:
fisherKing wrote:
all theory & speculation on your part. why do people tear stuff apart before they've heard it, seen it, or at least read reviews?
Well I am making a prediction based on what other developers have gone trough. There isn't a single text on their website that indicate they understand the problem of maintenance for this kind of implementation.

but there's text that says they don't understand the problem? really, your prediction has what to do with this device, this company? why not wait & see how it works, how things go, before making a decision based on a prediction?

but... whatever works. personally, will wait for real reviews, stories, videos... and my own experience.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:01 pm

Yeah of course we will have to wait how this comes out, but even if the launch is succesful which might be quite possible the real test is ahead, in the following years as sales go down and updates show their ugly face.

As for what I would expected to read something like "Our company will be commited to maintenance of the software required for trueno to work on latest OS".

Unlike Elektron machines or the virus Ti, Trueno doesn't work without a computer, so software development is crucial.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:09 pm

I'd be interested to see how this stacks up against a Microbrute, I think I would prefer the Microbrute into an audio jack, use that as a midi controller too. I know it costs more, but it is way more likely to be usable in five years, does more of what I want, and works independently of the computer. When I get a laptop again, I'll want an analog synth like that.

Vertion · Post by **Vertion** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:18 pm

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:21 pm

rod_zero wrote:Yeah of course we will have to wait how this comes out, but even if the launch is succesful which might be quite possible the real test is ahead, in the following years as sales go down and updates show their ugly face.

As for what I would expected to read something like "Our company will be commited to maintenance of the software required for trueno to work on latest OS".

Unlike Elektron machines or the virus Ti, Trueno doesn't work without a computer, so software development is crucial.

software plugins don't work without a computer, so software development is crucial. you've made up a whole future for something none of us have even yet seen...

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:40 pm

Vertion wrote:
braj wrote:If you had access to the information I have

ZaBong69 · Post by **ZaBong69** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:20 pm

Guys,

it is a cheap analog plugin synth. It does not much more than a pure software solution on retro VA, it is easy to carry and goes well with an ITB approach.

It does not make your hardware obsolete, nor does it really go where your software monster synths are. It is an innovative product, not a revolutionary one. It does not have to. But it seems to sound rather nice, and I welcome the developer to try this with us as a community. If this goes well, we might see a whole new class of cheap, but powerful analog sound devices in the future, maybe at some time a semi-modular analog on a stick. Would that be really so bad?

Let's see what people can do with it, I would like to see less negativity here.

Best, K

Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog