2CAudio Breeze | 2.5 | Simple. Light. Pristine. Intelligently Adaptive.

[plexuss]

Apologies if this is answered earlier in the thread, but is Breeze a cut-down version of Aether, or do they cover different territory?

They are totally different. Breeze might have more in common with B2 (but it´s still another beast).

+1 Breeze 1 is like one section of B2 with a little less parameters and I understand better CPU use than B2. Kind of like a slimmed down B2 in the case where you want some of the same sound but lower CPU consumption (which is handy because B2 can consume a lot of CPU).

[SJ_Digriz]

I might wait for B2 2 and even though a basic spring will probably take 19 cores.

[Andrew Souter]

Plexus and Cinebient give a very nice and succinct summary. but b2 also has unique features such as distortion/saturation, dynamics, oversampling, offline interpolation modes, and is tuned very differently -- much more open to expose interesting FX territories... (which can allow "bad sounding" presets for normal verb use, so they are generally not found in Breeze as it would confuse some users)

B2 does not HAVE to take tons of CPU power. It CAN. But it can be lighter than Breeze 1 as well. But generally people like to push it to its limits, and its limits are pretty unbounded.

Breeze 2 takes WAY less cpu than B2 at extreme settings...

next the long novel answer as I tend to do...

[aMUSEd]

Does not work in Reason on OSX. Crashes immediately.

OS-X version?

[Andrew Souter]

Apologies if this is answered earlier in the thread, but is Breeze a cut-down version of Aether, or do they cover different territory?

This is prob more info than you're looking for, but to combine a family of related questions and thoughts into one place kinda "blog style" here goes...

Breeze 1 has more similarities to B2 than to Aether. it is not overly similar to Aether. Aether has a lot of unique stuff in it. The Aether ER engine for example is basically like it's own separate plugin. B2 has lots of unique stuff and is tuned differently as well.

Breeze 2, is has TONS of completely new stuff in it that is unlike anything in Aether or B2. It basically has some of our newest ideas on reverb. The "math and science" aspects may be in some ways superior to all of our reverbs to date. The optimization is certainly superior at this point bc we have learned new things over the past several years. I know with certainty that all this stuff is out-of-this-world great, at least that is IMHO.

Simply put, the Breeze 2 sound is really, really eff-ing good as someone said earlier already...

But "math and science" and a cool new GUI are not the only thing that make a really, really great verb. There is the completely subjective side of human curation, preset design, battle testing in real world-class studios, use on real projects from the bedroom to the Grammies and Oscars, etc. Knowledgable users have to pour their love and time into it exploring the parameter space, and finding the sweet spots, etc. creating those "magic presets" for a given use/genre. We can't be experts in every style of music production out there, and so we are very fortunate to have inputs from industry veterans and current leaders who have given this kind of love to Aether and B2 to make them great. Quite simply Aether and B2 would not be what they are today simply bc of their great math and science. The community helped make them what they are. The human involvement is critical.

It's similar to why the Lexicon 480 is still lauded today. It is certainly NOT the most superior product in terms of pure "math and science" in 2017. Aether and B2 have more modern tech as do many others. But the 480 has a legacy. People know it, and people have spent the time to use it, and find it's magic spots and create the content for it that becomes standard and part of the music production vernacular. (I guess this is part of the charm of "retro" gear in general.) Aether and B2 have this type of reputation and legacy in some circles, and there is a good reason for it. But at least half that reason is bc of the love users put into it help make it great.

Does Breeze 2.0 risk cannibalizing some of Aether and B2's position in the short term? Perhaps. That perception is certainly a risk. But you don't move forward without taking risks. We've been known to take fairly large ones.

We do NOT think they compete with one another. In our minds they are all perfectly complimentary of one another. Aether and B2 are basically industry standards, used on the biggest projects in all aspects of audio production including music, film, TV, and games. Aether and B2 is part of "the sound" of many giant projects. We'd have to pry it out of the hands of some people who love and depend on them daily. We wouldn't want to mess up Batman or James Bond or Coldplay or Daft Punk or whatever...

And Breeze 2.0 absolutely does NOT cover all the territory of Aether and B2. But the areas it does cover sound insanely great, and it offers new uncovered sonic territories of its own as well...

Plus as I said in the preliminary web text, designing algo verbs, involves a lot of luck, even in the math and science parts. The more complex the product, the more luck it requires. It's enough to push you to the point of insanity. I mean we made Aether and B2 as close to perfect as we knew how when we made them. If we made Aether 2.0, or B2 2.0 first, there is no certainty we would get at lucky as we did the first time, and we would be highly certain to have more complex bugs that would be harder to find and solve quickly.

So we start with Breeze 2.0. First as pre-release, with a killer deal. During this phase we make everything perfect so nothing interferes with your enjoyment of how F-ing awesome it sounds. We support whatever platforms people demand. We say "yes" to everything we can. We like happy customers and we always do our best to achieve that.

Then once everything is perfectly solid, we start the human curation phase. Then we find out if our fancy new math and science is just as loved as our battle tested and proven workhorses. We believe it will be, but let's find out not what WE think based on our assumptions and biases, but what the YOU users think.

Breeze 2.0 is the start of our next gen. It's not the end. We do it first in part specifically bc we value and respect Aether and B2 as much as we do. We use Breeze 2 to try out some new ideas that we think are ultra cool. Let's find out if the market agrees or not. It will take significant time for Breeze 2 to reach the level of saturation and curation that Aether and B2 have.

In summary Breeze 2.0 is new and ultra cool at a killer price. Aether and B2 are industry standards and battle tested and an important part of major projects all over the world. All three have significant technical and sonic differences. None of them can perfectly recreate another. Our thought is as it always has been: they are part of suite we call Perfect Storm. We think people should eventually have them all and use them in the same sessions together side by side. The suite has gotten even more valuable with the inclusion of Breeze 2, for the same price as it has always been.

And there is a no brainer offer for existing customers, whom we always do our best to take care of...

We think its a win-win for everyone.

[Andrew Souter]

ok, back to bug smashing now...

[JerGoertz]

Thanks for the in-depth reply. I can tell you're really passionate about your products. Although finances are tight ATM, I will definitely consider Breeze 2.

[Tp3]

I cannot see the simply better expansion I bought...

I think I might have used the wrong voucher... I do own Breeze 1, Aether and it's expansions.

From the product page:

This expansion will be fully complete in January 2018. It can be pre-ordered now, and will automatically show up in the "My Downloads" are of your account as soon as it is available.

Ah... thanks

Too much pre-release infos, I guess... (I also await the SSE version for my antique quad 9550. haven't seen this one, either)

Andrew, I would advise putting the pre-release infos on a separate post, where everything can see EXACTLY what does that mean (take a look at u-He's RePro-5 public beta info, over at u-He's forum)

[plexuss]

I'd love to try Brease 2, being a regular Perfect Storm user. But, my CPU is not worthy.

[SJ_Digriz]

I cannot see the simply better expansion I bought...

I think I might have used the wrong voucher... I do own Breeze 1, Aether and it's expansions.

From the product page:

This expansion will be fully complete in January 2018. It can be pre-ordered now, and will automatically show up in the "My Downloads" are of your account as soon as it is available.

Ah... thanks

Too much pre-release infos, I guess... (I also await the SSE version for my antique quad 9550. haven't seen this one, either)

Andrew, I would advise putting the pre-release infos on a separate post, where everything can see EXACTLY what does that mean (take a look at u-He's RePro-5 public beta info, over at u-He's forum)

I have no idea what you mean ... this is a pre-release thread with pre-release info. What other thread would be necessary?

[aMUSEd]

Does it fix the crash?

Unknown. I can not reproduce your particular crash, bc I don't have your particular machine or version of OSX. The variable I suspect in your case is "El Capitan". So we are waiting to hear if anyone else has issues with "El Capitan".

We do NOT show these kind of reproducible issues on 10.10, 10.12, or 10.13.

10.11 is the unknown. Waiting for more feedback...

I suspect El Cap is a red herring, did the crashlog not help?

A mid 2011 i7 should support AVX? But then if it didn't I'd get the message wouldn't I? All your other plugins run fine.

[Andrew Souter]

Does it fix the crash?

Unknown. I can not reproduce your particular crash, bc I don't have your particular machine or version of OSX. The variable I suspect in your case is "El Capitan". So we are waiting to hear if anyone else has issues with "El Capitan".

We do NOT show these kind of reproducible issues on 10.10, 10.12, or 10.13.

10.11 is the unknown. Waiting for more feedback...

I suspect El Cap is a red herring, did the crashlog not help?

A mid 2011 i7 should support AVX? But then if it didn't I'd get the message wouldn't I? All your other plugins run fine.

simple answer is: we don't know yet. but we will, just as we always do. it just takes a little time.

[eytanmich123]

I cannot see the simply better expansion I bought...

I think I might have used the wrong voucher... I do own Breeze 1, Aether and it's expansions.

From the product page:

This expansion will be fully complete in January 2018. It can be pre-ordered now, and will automatically show up in the "My Downloads" are of your account as soon as it is available.

Ah... thanks

Too much pre-release infos, I guess... (I also await the SSE version for my antique quad 9550. haven't seen this one, either)

Andrew, I would advise putting the pre-release infos on a separate post, where everything can see EXACTLY what does that mean (take a look at u-He's RePro-5 public beta info, over at u-He's forum)

I have no idea what you mean ... this is a pre-release thread with pre-release info. What other thread would be necessary?

I THINK he means a separate, NEW (not updates upon a topic from 2010) with ONLY relevant infos to this beta, highlighted in bold in a very defined paragraph (eg. about the lack of SSE support or status of a preset library that IS NOT OUT BUT NEVERTHELESS BEING SOLD - even at a discount price).

If you need an idea about how it should be done, take a look here :
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=494717

[Andrew Souter]

If you need an idea about how it should be done, take a look here :
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=494717

I thought it'd be better to have just one Breeze thread so everyone knows where to find everything... I edit the first post to keep updated with the most recent info. It gets confusing IMHO if there are multiple threads. Often I type long explanations that are useful for other things like manual, or our web, or maybe a blog I should start or whatever... so I like for it to be in one place.

but, this U-he thread is a good example. Urs is a very smart guy. Maybe we should do that... we'll think about it. thanks for the suggestion...

[eytanmich123]

I thought it'd be better to have just one Breeze thread so everyone knows where to find everything... .

For an updated version.... for sure.

But NOT for an upgrade. the masses (should I say "globs" ?) of infos (that are not related directly to a BETA) are just overwhelming. save that for the official release...

I edit the first post to keep updated with the most recent info. It gets confusing IMHO if there are multiple threads..

Not if we are talking about X.0 version. it's a new product (as you say so yourself).

Often I type long explanations that are useful for other things like manual, or our web, or maybe a blog I should start or whatever... so I like for it to be in one place.

Again, it's more appropriate for a final, official version

but, this U-he thread is a good example. Urs is a very smart guy. Maybe we should do that... we'll think about it. thanks for the suggestion...

Naaa... Urs is a genious (not just a "smart guy").

And you're welcome