Filterscape is my first u-he plugin and I was just wondering if it will ever be updated again.
Cheers,
Stephan
Filterscape?
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- KVRAF
- 2514 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
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- KVRist
- 78 posts since 12 May, 2005 from Finger Lakes, NY, US
Patience... 
Most people wouldn't know good music if it bit them in the ass. –FZ
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358 - KVRist
- 295 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
And I thought nobody else cared about Filterscape. It's one of my favorites.-
- KVRAF
- 24447 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Eventually...
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Our first objective is keeping it alive. It'll get the new preset browser and we also had a few sketches for redesigns. I think we even have a bunch of new factory presets for VA. It'll get the funky new EQ editors also found in Zebra's new skins.
As for algorithms, I always wish to add new ones, but that requires extra work to keep backward compatibility. It's not easy, and it has always been a lower priority than, say, a big new product or any general feature like scalable UI, installers, preset browser or a plug-in format. Like Zebra 2, there's no chance to make FilterscapeVA MPE compatible without dropping the sequencer/arpeggiator. We simply can't.
As I wrote elsewhere, the success of Diva created so much aftermath that we had to put everything else in limbo. Company growth dictated new products to finance mere maintenance updates to keep things going. The current release of a Zebra 2.8 beta with new features hopefully marks a turning point where we do find time to modernize things beyond just "keeping it alive". I sincerely hope that we can transcend this through the whole product portfolio, even if main focus will remain Zebra 3 for a while.
Good thing is, we're coming out with a new website and a few smaller products (a spring reverb & "Lyrebird Pro") next year, as well as a new product range developed by a whole different team. These don't bind as many resources as Hive or Repro or VST3/AAX/RE did, and we'll have the chance to rescue Filterscape from being a second class citizen in our product line.
We'll see. It totally bugs me that we have some of the best filters in the world, yet none of our dedicated filter plug-ins (Filterscape, Runciter) feature any of them.
As for algorithms, I always wish to add new ones, but that requires extra work to keep backward compatibility. It's not easy, and it has always been a lower priority than, say, a big new product or any general feature like scalable UI, installers, preset browser or a plug-in format. Like Zebra 2, there's no chance to make FilterscapeVA MPE compatible without dropping the sequencer/arpeggiator. We simply can't.
As I wrote elsewhere, the success of Diva created so much aftermath that we had to put everything else in limbo. Company growth dictated new products to finance mere maintenance updates to keep things going. The current release of a Zebra 2.8 beta with new features hopefully marks a turning point where we do find time to modernize things beyond just "keeping it alive". I sincerely hope that we can transcend this through the whole product portfolio, even if main focus will remain Zebra 3 for a while.
Good thing is, we're coming out with a new website and a few smaller products (a spring reverb & "Lyrebird Pro") next year, as well as a new product range developed by a whole different team. These don't bind as many resources as Hive or Repro or VST3/AAX/RE did, and we'll have the chance to rescue Filterscape from being a second class citizen in our product line.
We'll see. It totally bugs me that we have some of the best filters in the world, yet none of our dedicated filter plug-ins (Filterscape, Runciter) feature any of them.
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358
- KVRist
- 295 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
I really love Filterscape. It is unique. It can do things nothing else can. I think if it was part of the big picture being the U-He effects line of products for the sake of advanced patch configurations for major DAW platforms someday, but at least the connection over the last 20 years. The Snap Shot modulation sequencer is the same in Filterscape as in Batzillia.
There are a number of cross contenting fundamental iterations that honestly remind me of the Apollo moon missions.
The point is, if you understand all of the U-He product line, you will understand all of it. If you go straight to Zebra or Bazille you are be default, missing fundamental building blocks that would have been achieved if exposed to the earlier iterations of the products where the fundamentals were achieved.
Filterscape is in that progression, between both MFM and Bazille, with more connections to be made between the products.
All of that being said, I think Filterscape is very important to at least document so the community understands.
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358
- KVRist
- 295 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
Hey Man, I wrote that with ED's comment in mind...
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
Hopefully u-he will keep an eye on Linux versions for all new development !Urs wrote:Good thing is, we're coming out with a new website and a few smaller products (a spring reverb & "Lyrebird Pro") next year, as well as a new product range developed by a whole different team. These don't bind as many resources as Hive or Repro or VST3/AAX/RE did, and we'll have the chance to rescue Filterscape from being a second class citizen in our product line.
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We don't do that ourselves, but Abique is doing a great job!mevla wrote:Hopefully u-he will keep an eye on Linux versions for all new development !
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2514 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Keeping it alive is great. A new GUI would be really great.
I totally understand where you’re coming from, Urs. I bought Diva upon release, and saw what happened to your company. In fact, I didn’t buy another VA plugin until
Repro.
As far as delays go, I have a bunch of them My most often used, however, is Sonic Charge Permut8. I’ve got the tape sims by Surreal Machines but recently saw Dan Worral’s introduction to MFM, and I hope it’s also on an update/upgrade path in your long view.
I’ll be picking up Zebra with the new GUI. I’m sensitive to GUI issues, and I still feel - especially after watching Dan’s tutorials on Repro - that I’ve got much to learn to really use all the potential of Diva, Repro, and really all of my plugins, let alone something modular.
But my heart still belongs to Filterscape. New filter designs and an updated GUI and I’m all set.
Anyway, thanks for listening and the feedback.
I totally understand where you’re coming from, Urs. I bought Diva upon release, and saw what happened to your company. In fact, I didn’t buy another VA plugin until
Repro.
As far as delays go, I have a bunch of them My most often used, however, is Sonic Charge Permut8. I’ve got the tape sims by Surreal Machines but recently saw Dan Worral’s introduction to MFM, and I hope it’s also on an update/upgrade path in your long view.
I’ll be picking up Zebra with the new GUI. I’m sensitive to GUI issues, and I still feel - especially after watching Dan’s tutorials on Repro - that I’ve got much to learn to really use all the potential of Diva, Repro, and really all of my plugins, let alone something modular.
But my heart still belongs to Filterscape. New filter designs and an updated GUI and I’m all set.
Anyway, thanks for listening and the feedback.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
I might be wrong, but it seems Alex is doing that on his free time, is it ?Urs wrote:We don't do that ourselves, but Abique is doing a great job!mevla wrote:Hopefully u-he will keep an eye on Linux versions for all new development !
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, as you might know, he has a full time job. He does this in his spare time, but of course he sends us invoices every now and then.mevla wrote:I might be wrong, but it seems Alex is doing that on his free time, is it ?
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 10 Apr, 2001 from Madison
I somehow, despite a tendency to buy U-he stuff without even demoing it first (I just know it'll be good), never even _knew_ about Filterscape until just recently.
I downloaded the demo just to see what it was and OH MY GOD I am extremely chuffed to discover it's not abandonware.
I mean, I can't think of any other filters that quite do what it does in terms of morphing. It's probably as close as I can get to Dave Rossum's funky Zplane stuff in software right now. While the filters may not be quite as analog sounding as Diva or Repro, there is certainly a lot of creative flexibility that one can't get from your standard Sherman-style filter emulator.
Lovin' it. It seems like a real hidden gem in the U-he line. Sure, the UI is a little outdated, but I'm currently using much worse on a daily basis so I'm not terribly bothered.
I downloaded the demo just to see what it was and OH MY GOD I am extremely chuffed to discover it's not abandonware.
I mean, I can't think of any other filters that quite do what it does in terms of morphing. It's probably as close as I can get to Dave Rossum's funky Zplane stuff in software right now. While the filters may not be quite as analog sounding as Diva or Repro, there is certainly a lot of creative flexibility that one can't get from your standard Sherman-style filter emulator.
Lovin' it. It seems like a real hidden gem in the U-he line. Sure, the UI is a little outdated, but I'm currently using much worse on a daily basis so I'm not terribly bothered.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2514 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
I know, right? It’s an amazing set of plugins. My mind goes wild imaging a modernized take, incorporating Diva and Repro filter models and some magic that would permit morphing between the models as well.
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358
- KVRist
- 295 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
Filterscape was ahead of its time at release, and still is. It does some very cool and unique things, that I can't do elsewhere.
If we keep bumping it, raising awareness, using it in tracks etc... It should get more attention.
Skippy (PluginGuru) did some of the factory patches for it. I kept bugging him about it and he gave it a quick nod on a live stream a couple of weeks ago, which was cool of him.
One of the comments in the live chat feed that got my attention was "Filterscape gives me a headache" to which Skippy was like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Yeah... ok" And I get what they are saying. After reading the manual, it's not hard to get it to do what you want. Also if you had not opened it in a while you might need to read the manual again. Skippy had this context problem live too which kept his nod/demo short.
The Filterscapce UI picking up some new school tricks from Zebra 2.8 like tabular modes, zoomed editing, contextual controls and making the snapshot mode play controls a little more clear (like the Bazille sequencer) would help make Filterscape more approachable, which hopefully means more people would buy it and would be then higher on everyone's priority list for advanced features like algorithm updates. I have no science to back this up, so its basically a chicken or egg problem and as a business case it is... Risky...
The skinning, scripting interface is something I would like to understand better but am at least months away from being able to touch what I just outlined. (Plugmon, how much work is that? It seems like a lot, ~100 hours)
Just food for thought right now.
If we keep bumping it, raising awareness, using it in tracks etc... It should get more attention.
Skippy (PluginGuru) did some of the factory patches for it. I kept bugging him about it and he gave it a quick nod on a live stream a couple of weeks ago, which was cool of him.
One of the comments in the live chat feed that got my attention was "Filterscape gives me a headache" to which Skippy was like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Yeah... ok" And I get what they are saying. After reading the manual, it's not hard to get it to do what you want. Also if you had not opened it in a while you might need to read the manual again. Skippy had this context problem live too which kept his nod/demo short.
The Filterscapce UI picking up some new school tricks from Zebra 2.8 like tabular modes, zoomed editing, contextual controls and making the snapshot mode play controls a little more clear (like the Bazille sequencer) would help make Filterscape more approachable, which hopefully means more people would buy it and would be then higher on everyone's priority list for advanced features like algorithm updates. I have no science to back this up, so its basically a chicken or egg problem and as a business case it is... Risky...
The skinning, scripting interface is something I would like to understand better but am at least months away from being able to touch what I just outlined. (Plugmon, how much work is that? It seems like a lot, ~100 hours)
Just food for thought right now.