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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:37 am

Good News!

PPG has resolved the issues between Infinite Pro and Bitwig. The morph pad now automates correctly. Also, an issue with a crash @ 96khz is also resolved. I don't know if those changes have been pushed out to the public release yet, but it is working great now!

Also, PPG has found the problem with Wavemapper 2 which was crashing in Bitwig (only for couple people including me) and that is also now resolved.

Took some work and back and forth to figure out the various issues, but they kept at it. Good job PPG tech support!

thesampleguru · Post by **thesampleguru** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:33 pm

I have no idea who Simmo75 is but he definitely has a personal vendetta against certain developers. Please do not take his views or opinions in any way as impartial or balanced. Virtually every single post he has made is a negative review or gripe about certain developers or their products. Rival developer perhaps? Seems that way.

simmo75 · Post by **simmo75** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:37 pm

thesampleguru wrote:I have no idea who Simmo75 is but he definitely has a personal vendetta against certain developers. Please do not take his views or opinions in any way as impartial or balanced. Virtually every single post he has made is a negative review or gripe about certain developers or their products. Rival developer perhaps? Seems that way.

What’s your beef Mrs?
She’s posting this everywhere

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:22 am

simmo75 wrote:
thesampleguru wrote:I have no idea who Simmo75 is but he definitely has a personal vendetta against certain developers. Please do not take his views or opinions in any way as impartial or balanced. Virtually every single post he has made is a negative review or gripe about certain developers or their products. Rival developer perhaps? Seems that way.
What’s your beef Mrs?
She’s posting this everywhere

I was intrigued by this and did a search. The only thing I think simmo wrote in this particular thread was

"Ok dude. Seems to morph pretty damn nicely to me. I’m loving it!"

This is not my fight but I think you should report one another and let the mods sort this out. Mistaken identity by thesampleguru perhaps?

To all: please play nice - music is a hobby and should bring us joy.

popskull · Post by **popskull** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:50 am

I’m a bit pissed off I wasn’t made aware of the pre sale intro offer considering I bought licenses for PPGs other sythns. I don’t read KVR every day and have been on holidays for a couple of weeks. Come back and check KVR and find out it’s over. An email to customers would have been nice!

ppgapps · Post by **ppgapps** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:38 pm

The DEMO version for Infinite Pro is out now.
for details go here:
http://wolfgangpalm.com/infinitepro_demos.html

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:07 pm

Whoa, amazing stuff...

*too bad about the demo coming after the intro price, I would have likely made it happen. The regular price
is a bit too much for me to make a priority for the time being.

Thanks for the demo though.

-Cheers

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:56 pm

pekbro wrote:Whoa, amazing stuff...

*too bad about the demo coming after the intro price, I would have likely made it happen. The regular price
is a bit too much for me to make a priority for the time being.

Indeed - the intro price was over too quickly

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:19 pm

Isn't 149 euros the intro price? http://wolfgangpalm.com/shop.html

nordickvr · Post by **nordickvr** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:23 pm

SparkySpark wrote:Isn't 149 euros the intro price? http://wolfgangpalm.com/shop.html

Was 119 euros.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:33 pm

nordickvr wrote:
SparkySpark wrote:Isn't 149 euros the intro price? http://wolfgangpalm.com/shop.html
Was 119 euros.

Yes. I´m happy i bought it at intro price since i think it is a very unique and wonderful synth.
But an intro price for so short time and then without a demo is a bit strange indeed.
And now there is a demo but no intro price anymore.
But they must know which marketing decision works best for them since it´s not their first plug-in (but the first i bought since i only used the PPG apps so far).
I still think Wolfgang Palm is a great guy and genius at what he does.
Man, this thing is so deep that i will need years to learn what it all can do.
This could need a masterclass tutorial series.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:36 pm

Thanks, not a huge difference then in price. Agreeing with comments re strange marketing decisions though.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:47 pm

SparkySpark wrote:Thanks, not a huge difference then in price. Agreeing with comments re strange marketing decisions though.

If you're paying in US dollars, BIG difference.

I paid $145 for this on sale. At the current price and exchange rate, it would be close to $200. No way to I pay $200 for this, as good as it is, it is NOT a $200 synth.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:50 pm

wagtunes wrote:
SparkySpark wrote:Thanks, not a huge difference then in price. Agreeing with comments re strange marketing decisions though.
If you're paying in US dollars, BIG difference.

I paid $145 for this on sale. At the current price and exchange rate, it would be close to $200. No way to I pay $200 for this, as good as it is, it is NOT a $200 synth.

Maybe i would agree.....but then it is in a class of it´s own and i don´t think there is another synth which can do what this can. I might be wrong.....

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:17 pm

Cinebient wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
SparkySpark wrote:Thanks, not a huge difference then in price. Agreeing with comments re strange marketing decisions though.
If you're paying in US dollars, BIG difference.

I paid $145 for this on sale. At the current price and exchange rate, it would be close to $200. No way to I pay $200 for this, as good as it is, it is NOT a $200 synth.
Maybe i would agree.....but then it is in a class of it´s own and i don´t think there is another synth which can do what this can. I might be wrong.....

Wavemapper 2 is very similar to this. It's not quite as complex as far as mod routings, but for the most part, his synths are very similar in architecture. Wavemapper 2 can do things this synth can't do. Wavegenerator can do things this synth can't do, like create your own waves that can be read by Wavemapper 2 and Infinite Pro.

And, as difficult as it would be, you could build this synth in Reaktor, MUX or just about any modular synth. Would I want to? Only if I had nothing else to do with my life. But it could be done.

And as far as existing synths, nothing exactly like Infinite but there are synths that also have a multitude of ways to modulate its sound, including the recent Aparillo, which can also do things that Infinite Pro can't do. In fact, overall, I'd say those two synths have more in common than you'd imagine. The tonality is different because one is basically FM based and the other is AM based (more or less) but if your end goal is to create a sound that morphs continuously, both will do the job. And I sure as hell wasn't going to pay $200 for Aparillo, which, by the way, only cost me 99 bucks. That's $46 less than I paid for Infinite Pro on sale.

That's why I say Infinite Pro isn't a $200 synth. That's like saying it's as powerful as Zebra 2.

Now, if you want to say that this synth is a $200 synth because nothing else is EXACTLY like it, sure. Can't argue that. But then I could say that Bazille is a $200 synth because nothing else is exactly like IT. But I only paid $129 for Bazille. I'd argue that Bazille is a more powerful and diverse synth than Infinite Pro because it's semi modular and has just as many routing possibilities, if not more.

Synth value is relative to what it's worth to YOU. And that's going to vary from person to person. To some people, if a synth does something that they absolutely must have and nothing else does that same thing, the price they're willing to pay is most likely going to be more than what they'd pay for something else, regardless of the overall quality of that something else.

In other words, some people would be willing to pay more for Infinite Pro than for something like Diva even though Diva is arguably the best sounding analog emulation on the market, maybe outside of Reaktor blocks.

Me? No way do I pay more for Infinite Pro than I paid for Diva.

And ultimately, you have to look at the overall market for all synths and see what developers are charging for their synths and what those synths bring to the table.

I had the same problem with Rapid when that synth first came out. It was close to $200. No way is that a $200 synth based on the competition. Right now, with the exchange rate, Rapid is $216.

I paid $160 for it during its intro offer. And I thought that was just about right as comparing it to the competition I estimated it as worth between $149 and $169.

In short, I've bought enough VSTs to "know" what something is worth. At least to me. I'll pay $200 for a deep modular synth. For something like Infinite Pro, about $150.

I'd say 99% of the synths I have seen priced are more than reasonably priced. Many, I feel are underpriced, not that I'm complaining. But there are a few that, quite honestly, I don't know what these people are thinking. Tone 2 and Parawave being up near the top of the list.

Again, this is just my personal opinion and doesn't mean squat. But if Infinite Pro came out at $200, no way in hell do I get it. It simply doesn't do enough.

New Wolfgang Palm (PPG Infinite) tool coming...