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[Pyrotek45]

The whole points of my idea is so that paid customers gets great experience while the pirate suffurs the annoyances.

Think about it. The paid user buys your software and doesnt have to worry about it after that. The paid user doesn't have to worry about keys ,cracks, viruses, id locking, hardware failure, windows updates or anything ever. All he has to do to keep his copy working is to NOT give it away.

He will not wont to end up on the blacklist because he would lose money since his copy would be nullified too, so most people will probably protect their copy.

If the pirate is using a blacklisted copy and forgets to turn off his internet, then all of his mulab files would be deleted. And he would have to reinstall. While the paid user can use mulab worry free.

If the copy finds its id is on the blacklist it will have a popup that says "this copy is on a blacklist for piracy - 'the link to the torrent'". Or something along those lines.

[pljones]

So you go into a live gig. There's no wifi. Maybe not a problem... Except, you're performing there with MuLab as your host... Unfortunately, it won't run. Hm. That's not exactly a great experience for the paying user.

[Pyrotek45]

So you go into a live gig. There's no wifi. Maybe not a problem... Except, you're performing there with MuLab as your host... Unfortunately, it won't run. Hm. That's not exactly a great experience for the paying user.

Reread my post. If there is no connection, nothing happens. So you could still use mulab however you want.

[MuTools]

So it only takes a little piece of software or OS setting that tells MuLab there is no internet and the system is hacked.

[pljones]

If there is no connection, nothing happens.

I took that to mean it wouldn't work.

On the bike analogy: if you have two bikes, you can only ride one at a time because there's only one of you. If you've a set of lights and set of panniers, either you buy two sets - one for each bike - or you have to go through the hassle of moving them between bikes. The bike is like the computer, the lights and panniers are like the software.

[Pyrotek45]

So it only takes a little piece of software or OS setting that tells MuLab there is no internet and the system is hacked.

The idea is not to stop piracy. You can't. The idea is to make it inconvenient to pirate. And to make paying for it more enticing. Not to mention if the pirate isnt diligent, and mulab did figure out it was blacklisted, then
All of their work, projects would be lost. That would be funny to see.

And to my bike analogy, you guys got it all wrong. Software is infinite. Thats why devs licence them, they dont sell you the code, they sell you the license to use their software. Adding lights to your bike would be like getting a new cpu. Its all hardware.

Software is more what you do with your bike. Mainly riding it. Right? So in this case the license to ride is like the licence to use software. You should be able to ride any of your bikes just like you should be able to use your software on any of your computers.


You dont see people with three drivers licence, one for each car do you? No.

[pljones]

No, you can ride a bike because of what it physically is - wheels, pedals, gears, chain, brakes, etc - that's like your computer. But the bike will just sit there until you, the rider, get on. You can't be copied. So you're not a good analogy for anything digital.

[Pyrotek45]

No, you can ride a bike because of what it physically is - wheels, pedals, gears, chain, brakes, etc - that's like your computer. But the bike will just sit there until you, the rider, get on. You can't be copied. So you're not a good analogy for anything digital.

how are you not getting something so simple? You butchered my analogy

bike = computer; two physical things you cannot copy.
actions you can do with bike = software on the computer; potentially unlimited possibilities (if you're a creative biker)
computer software license = bike license; two license that allows you to do something legally. like ride a bike on the road or use a computer program.

do you see where i'm going with this? if you have a drivers license, and two cars in the garage; would you have to buy an extra license to drive both of your cars? No, same deal with the bike. All you need is ONE license to legally ride any number of your bikes. Software should be no different.

just because a user has many computers doesn't mean he should have to pay more, for the same reason a person who collects bikes shouldnt have to buy a ton of bike licenses just to ride them all.

[pljones]

actions you can do with bike = software on the computer; potentially unlimited possibilities (if you're a creative biker)

"Actions you can do with a bike" = "software you can write for a computer" (not just run on it). One person (here) writes the software, no one else. See the difference?

You get on your bike = you start up your computer with software on it and use it. Just one you in each case.

The problem is "bike" (and accessories) are physical and, whilst "computer" is physical, "software on it" is not, so needs treating specially. Ideally, like I said, making it so that for one "you" there is only one "software on computer" instance. And then, just like if you buy two bikes, you need two computers and two lots of software. Seems perfectly fair and reasonable. Again, nice if you can move the "bike attachments" (= software) from one bike (=computer) to another without too much of a problem.

And, like your bike attachments, you don't want someone else "borrowing" them and using stuff you've paid for.

[MuTools]

I think the comparison with the bike is not helping this discussion, i think it only adds complication.
If you agree with that lets please drop that bike comparison.
Comparing hardware goods to digital goods is often a inadequate comparison.
That's because of the essential difference that hardware cannot be simply copy-pasted.

The situation is simple:
IF it would technically be possible to link a user key to a person (and check that in a user-friendly way, and difficult to hack) then i would go for that concept, without doubt.

But that's technically not possible (afaik) so the only remaining options are to keep it as free as M7 where a user key can practically be used anywhere by anyone. Or to link a user key to a computer.

Nothing has been decided yet but thanks to the feedback on this topic i've been convinced that IF user keys would be linked to the computer it should be done in a mild way (only a reminder alert) so to avoid any kind of drastic lock out situations.

[cloudspell]

Tell your friends MUTOOLS have a contest to get the full ver. Of Mulab for free or no cost stop piracy guys. Peaceout

[lilyyy]

I have to pause M8 R&D now and R&D a system to blacklist user keys.

Why? The leaked user key wasn't going to validate M8 so the problem would have solved itself when it released. Also, the key is gone now and isn't quoted, so anybody who didn't see it no longer has access to it, unless it was posted on a pirate site, in which anyone who purchased could have posted theirs anyway. This situation was a possibility you've always been aware of and know you would have had to experience at some point anyway, especially if MUX/MuLab became popular.

On the subject of popular software, Minecraft has never taken any steps to combat piracy that I'm aware of (which is exclusively prior to being bought by Microsoft), and look where that got the creator. From what I can tell, popularity makes or breaks paid software, and that success also comes at the cost of substantially more piracy than other software. It seems to me, then, that it doesn't matter whether or not it can be pirated. The real question is whether or not it will help convince people to buy it. The general idea is that they won't spend money if they can get it for free, but then how come Airwindows can give his stuff out to literally everyone and then get supported via Patreon? Even without testimonies of people who say they will pay for software they initially pirated, it's abundantly clear that some people really will spend money even when they can get a product for free.

The text clearly is "UserKeyString" and so now you say you don't know what a User Key is??
And on top of that it clearly included your personal user key which you have copy-pasted so you know how it looks like.

Really? He copy and pasted it, he didn't memorize it. Saw the seemingly random string of characters and pasted it where the program asked without a second thought and not even in the exact text file he posted here. Is it really that hard to believe that he didn't know?

Do you agree, conceptually, that it is fair to ask for a new user key when both the OS is different AND the hardware is different from the ones for which a user key was made?

Depends on how you handle OS updates. Will every new version of Windows, Mac, and Linux count as the same OS? How will MUX know without an update?

FYI: Also now, with MuLab/MUX 7, you cannot use your user key to unlock MuLab on more than 2 computers.

Will it work if I put MUX in the same spot on the hard drive but run it from both Linux and Windows? Does this mean that I can't install it on my Mac? Can I even use it on both partitions?

This whole situation is especially annoying because I just bought a Macbook and I can't even download MUX for it, and now it's going to have a new, intrusive anti-piracy mechanism that I didn't sign up for. Are you going to put the old versions back up at some point or can I at least email you for the last version prior to this change?

[MuTools]

Do you agree, conceptually, that it is fair to ask for a new user key when both the OS is different AND the hardware is different from the ones for which a user key was made?

Depends on how you handle OS updates. Will every new version of Windows, Mac, and Linux count as the same OS? How will MUX know without an update?

An OS update should not be a problem.

FYI: Also now, with MuLab/MUX 7, you cannot use your user key to unlock MuLab on more than 2 computers.

Will it work if I put MUX in the same spot on the hard drive but run it from both Linux and Windows? Does this mean that I can't install it on my Mac? Can I even use it on both partitions?

As i already wrote: In M7 it's only about the License Agreement, not a concrete programmed limit.

This whole situation is especially annoying because I just bought a Macbook and I can't even download MUX for it

Yes you can, see http://mutools.com/mux-downloads.html

and now it's going to have a new, intrusive anti-piracy mechanism that I didn't sign up for.

Where did you read that??

[Pyrotek45]

The solution is simple. Make it where i can log into your site with my email and password. Then i can download a key file to link to mulab.

Every time that file gets downloaded it invalidates the old one. Done.

[lilyyy]

An OS update should not be a problem.

Then I think it is fair.

As i already wrote: In M7 it's only about the License Agreement, not a concrete programmed limit.

I was under the impression that you weren't going to release a new version of MUX nor put it back up until you had the entire system implemented. I guess I'm a little more lost on what you meant than I thought.

Yes you can, see http://mutools.com/mux-downloads.html

Holy crap, when did they go back up? I checked yesterday and the day before that and it was down. I guess I should have checked one more time before replying, but I just saw this thread.

Where did you read that??

Sorry, I really thought that was what you meant.