KVR Audio

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:56 am

braj wrote:
Cinebient wrote:
braj wrote:
Cinebient wrote:
braj wrote:Back to Odyssey, it is a CPU piggy. It is more taxing than Repro with poly turned on.
Strange....i can run 10-20 on my iPhone (the Gadget which use the same engine). Maybe bad optimized...
Yeah, I have an older iPad and it is no problem on that. Badly optimized or more refined, I dunno, I can't tell yet. But I like what I hear, that is the most important thing, and I'll be using it mono, not for chords and pads.
I wonder if that is on mac too. Gadget is mac and iOS only as i remember and it might be really bad windows optimized from Korg.
I wouldn´t want to buy a more expensive plug-in of a (great) sounding synth when my little iPhone runs more instances than a desktop or powerful notebook.
Maybe a rushed out release trying to get some Christmas money
I don't know that it is the same code as the iPad version. A lot of things may get optimized for iPad and pay some sort of sonic price to get running on that hardware, as nice as my iPad is, it is nothing compared to my i7.

Maybe but the sound engines are the same and there should be no difference..beside the plug-in seems to have up to 16 voices compared to 8. But still on a powerful machine you should be able run at least 2-3 times more of these.
Also i7 doesn´t mean much these days. If Intel sleeps further the next iPad are faster and at the same time more easy to optimize software. I consider the next generation as sound source for those synths.
But since there is the Gadget version on mac it would be interesting to know how that works compared to the iOS version. Then it would be windows only problem maybe.
I see Korg also more focus on iOS trying to get some extra money now due to half assed ports.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:03 pm

Well, my old iPad mini certainly doesn't stand up to my old i7

And I don't know new iPad hardware enough to even say you are right or wrong about them, they certainly cost enough, all I know is I'm glad I bought Odyssey, but it does have issues: no resizing of UI, scroll locked to the GUI and not for control, and I don't see a way to enter parameters as numbers, which makes putting in exact values sketchy. I'm happy with the $50 price, but wouldn't have gotten it if it were $100, I would have gone with Oddity 2 instead. I'm also cool with the CPU load, it will be a lead synth for me, I don't need 20 instances running.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:07 pm

braj wrote:Well, my old iPad mini certainly doesn't stand up to my old i7 And I don't know new iPad hardware enough to even say you are right or wrong about them, they certainly cost enough, all I know is I'm glad I bought Odyssey, but it does have issues: no resizing of UI, scroll locked to the GUI and not for control, and I don't see a way to enter parameters as numbers, which makes putting in exact values sketchy. I'm happy with the $50 price, but wouldn't have gotten it if it were $100, I would have gone with Oddity 2 instead. I'm also cool with the CPU load, it will be a lead synth for me, I don't need 20 instances running.

Of course i mean the latest iPad Pro which is really great, especially at 12.9" for such apps.
If they would make a 15" version i would be happy.
Great if you are happy but i couldn´t live happy with it if i pay 100 for a totally unoptimized software from a "famous" brand. If your old iPad handle it better it says all i need to know....at least for windows.
No one here can confirm it for mac?

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:09 pm

Cinebient wrote:
Maybe but the sound engines are the same

We truly don't know that.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:13 pm

Cinebient wrote:
Of course i mean the latest iPad Pro which is really great, especially at 12.9" for such apps.
If they would make a 15" version i would be happy.
Great if you are happy but i couldn´t live happy with it if i pay 100 for a totally unoptimized software from a "famous" brand. If your old iPad handle it better it says all i need to know....at least for windows.
No one here can confirm it for mac?

I didn't say the iPad handled it 'better' lol. And I did say I wouldn't pay $100 for it, I paid $50, and I'm happier with it than I was with the iPad version, which I said multiple times too.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:14 pm

It'd be very surprising if they used different DSP for the PC/Mac versions. I'd say it's 99,9% sure that it is the same. I know that it is the case for many other VST/AU's which have an iOS counterpart.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:16 pm

braj wrote:
Cinebient wrote:
Maybe but the sound engines are the same
We truly don't know that.

I do (from people who own that on iOS and mac). At least the Gadget versions are the same and i doubt there is anything, beside more voices, in the Collection version.
And even if there would be slightly changes...nothing could explain why you can run 10 times more on a freaking phone.
Maybe Korg should stay on iOS or take it more serious. And also there are some things i can´t understand why they don´t fix them.
When i think about that i find that Korg should think more about not only living from their name.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:19 pm

chk071 wrote:It'd be very surprising if they used different DSP for the PC/Mac versions. I'd say it's 99,9% sure that it is the same. I know that it is the case for many other VST/AU's which have an iOS counterpart.

But the internal sample rates or whatever may be different, tuned to work better on the iPad hardware, I just don't know. If not, it does present a big problem for all these VST developers if iPads truly start to dominate, and people are used to $20 vs $100+ synths. The price disparity is huge right now.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:24 pm

I dunno what to tell you, my i7 is 5 years old, I can't run 10x more instances on my older iPad, I can run about 10 instruments in Gadget itself, and Lexington is definitely more taxing, I never try running 10 instances of that

You wanna be pissed at something

what can I say? Don't buy Odyssey for PC then. The least of my concerns with it is the CPU. I think the UI scaling is long term a bigger issue.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:25 pm

braj wrote:
chk071 wrote:It'd be very surprising if they used different DSP for the PC/Mac versions. I'd say it's 99,9% sure that it is the same. I know that it is the case for many other VST/AU's which have an iOS counterpart.
But the internal sample rates or whatever may be different, tuned to work better on the iPad hardware, I just don't know. If not, it does present a big problem for all these VST developers if iPads truly start to dominate, and people are used to $20 vs $100+ synths. The price disparity is huge right now.

No, because other plug-ins runs fine and have resizable GUI´s

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:27 pm

braj wrote:
chk071 wrote:It'd be very surprising if they used different DSP for the PC/Mac versions. I'd say it's 99,9% sure that it is the same. I know that it is the case for many other VST/AU's which have an iOS counterpart.
But the internal sample rates or whatever may be different, tuned to work better on the iPad hardware, I just don't know.

Oh, that surely could be. At least that would make perfect sense to me.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:27 pm

braj wrote:I dunno what to tell you, my i7 is 5 years old, I can't run 10x more instances on my older iPad, I can run about 10 instruments in Gadget itself, and Lexington is definitely more taxing, I never try running 10 instances of that You wanna be pissed at something what can I say? Don't buy Odyssey for PC then. The least of my concerns with it is the CPU. I think the UI scaling is long term a bigger issue.

You started to wonder why it is such a cpu hog....that was the answer.
But yes, let´s stop it. Merry Christmas to you and even Korg

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:32 pm

Cinebient wrote:
braj wrote:I dunno what to tell you, my i7 is 5 years old, I can't run 10x more instances on my older iPad, I can run about 10 instruments in Gadget itself, and Lexington is definitely more taxing, I never try running 10 instances of that You wanna be pissed at something what can I say? Don't buy Odyssey for PC then. The least of my concerns with it is the CPU. I think the UI scaling is long term a bigger issue.
You started to wonder why it is such a cpu hog....that was the answer.
But yes, let´s stop it. Merry Christmas to you and even Korg

I didn't start to wonder, I stated it plainly. The filter sound great on the desktop, I haven't compared it to the iPad but I don't know if either use ZDF filters or not, for instance, and neither do you. But Hairy Fishnuts, it's late, I should sleep.

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:09 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:Well the installer doesnt work properly for me on Win10, despite entering my VST plugin folder as the destination in the sinataller it ignored that and put them in
C:\Program Files (x86)\KORG\KORG Legacy

Was this question already answered/solved?
The installer is a mess. It don´t let you specify the vst target, puts the .ddl to the above folder where the presets are. If you change to the above target to your DAW vst plugin folder, the installer destroyes the folder, that happened to all my previous ver. Korg Legacy products,which were installaed there.
The shortcut doesn´t seem to work.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:37 pm

Just a note to say I have received two responses from two different Korg support addresses....on Christmas day.

I know they celebrate Christmas in Japan so these poor people are working on a Holiday. I'm not sure if that's impressive or oppressive.........

Anyway the responses so far are basically on the level of "is your computer plugged in Sir ?" so we'll see what happens going forward.....

Korg updates its Legacy Collection with a new Arp Odyssey emulation