FL Studio 12.9 Beta 2.

[Giova942]

I'm trying out FLStudio 12, why is it such an over bloated mess of windows and buttons at standard 1080P resolutions ? Anyway to get less than 100% scaling ? Also the colour combinations and contrasts look awful, no unity of colours, reminds me of a patchwork quilt looking at it. Also the sliders look toy like.

FL is heavily oriented to kids who make EDM music.

Kids love things with funny shapes and crazy colours.

[THE INTRANCER]

I'm trying out FLStudio 12, why is it such an over bloated mess of windows and buttons at standard 1080P resolutions ? Anyway to get less than 100% scaling ? Also the colour combinations and contrasts look awful, no unity of colours, reminds me of a patchwork quilt looking at it. Also the sliders look toy like.

FL is heavily oriented to kids who make EDM music.

Kids love things with funny shapes and crazy colours.

I've a nephew who's 10, he plays the 6 string guitar, I can imagine him having a confusing time trying to get his head around FLStudio 12 in it's current incarnation. I can't imagine the crazy shapes and colours helping him get around this application at all.

[inkwarp]

Also the colour combinations and contrasts look awful, no unity of colours, reminds me of a patchwork quilt looking at it. Also the sliders look toy like.

yes, it's entirely subjective.
i actually like it's current incarnation, i can see what's going on.
bu let's be fair i use it to make ( mainly) electronic music and for that purpose it's actually a really good tool. and btw, i use it to 'make music', not stare at it trying to find things to complain about. maybe you should use something else instead of trolling forums?
fl is like many daws, you get out what you put into it learning-wise. it has very good help and a big community of users.
it has the best midi out of anything i use. it can be a plugin or rewire. it is a very good daw imho.
it does not merit this constant hectoring about it being 'a toy'. it gets old pretty quick.

[THE INTRANCER]

Also the colour combinations and contrasts look awful, no unity of colours, reminds me of a patchwork quilt looking at it. Also the sliders look toy like.

yes, it's entirely subjective.
i actually like it's current incarnation, i can see what's going on.
bu let's be fair i use it to make ( mainly) electronic music and for that purpose it's actually a really good tool. and btw, i use it to 'make music', not stare at it trying to find things to complain about. maybe you should use something else instead of trolling forums?
fl is like many daws, you get out what you put into it learning-wise. it has very good help and a big community of users.
it has the best midi out of anything i use. it can be a plugin or rewire. it is a very good daw imho.
it does not merit this constant hectoring about it being 'a toy'. it gets old pretty quick.

I do use something else, and have developed hundreds of gui's for it to suite the theme of what I'm producing if I get board looking at it or need a change, or if the lighting changes in my environment. I also produce a whole range of music from Trance, Ambient, and Filmscore type stuff..with over 40 tracks uploaded to Soundcloud and Soundclick. In the case of music forums / youtube what ever medium, if I see something that doesn't look right..I won't beat about the bush in getting to the point, gui development and art is something I've been doing since as far back as 1992 on a Mega ST and CAD programs

And just to expand on what I mentioned about FLStudio's gui, why do I need to tilt my head 90 degree's to to try and read a lable or number of a mixer track insert ? I mean really this is basic stuff to get right, right ?

[inkwarp]

And just to expand on what I mentioned about FLStudio's gui, why do I need to tilt my head 90 degree's to to try and read a lable or number of a mixer track ? I mean really this is basic stuff to get right, right ?

wtf are you talking about dude?

if you 'use something else', why come on here to complain about a daw that you don't use?
i have noticed other threads that you are posting similar posts, more recently Reaper..
it is odd considering you are disputing the qualities of stuff you don't use but which other contributors DO. you are foisting subjective criticism for no reason at all. like i say. trolling.
maybe talk about what you do like or use. you might get a more amiable response.

[THE INTRANCER]

so if you 'use something else', why come on here to complain about a daw that you don't use?
i have noticed other threads that you are posting similar posts, more recently Reaper..
it is odd considering you are disputing the qualities of stuff you don't use but which other contributors DO. you are foisting subjective criticism for no reason at all. like i say. trolling.
maybe talk about what you do like or use. you might get a more amiable response.

I'm not here to stroke anyone's ego, I don't form emotions with tools I use and obviously don't use. Developing interfaces doesn't move forward if all users are doing are saying how great something is. Interface developers should be listening to the views of things which aren't right, so they can fix them for the benefit of all.

But.. any way, back to my music productions..Typically I'm not talking about daws but developing for them..

You'll find one of my music tracks in the KVR music cafe.

[BMoore]

so if you 'use something else', why come on here to complain about a daw that you don't use?
i have noticed other threads that you are posting similar posts, more recently Reaper..
it is odd considering you are disputing the qualities of stuff you don't use but which other contributors DO. you are foisting subjective criticism for no reason at all. like i say. trolling.
maybe talk about what you do like or use. you might get a more amiable response.

I'm not here to stroke anyone's ego, I don't form emotions with tools I use and obviously don't use. Developing interfaces doesn't move forward if all users are doing are saying how great something is. Interface developers should be listening to the views of things which aren't right, so they can fix them for the benefit of all.

But.. any way, back to my music productions..Typically I'm not talking about daws but developing for them..

You'll find one of my music tracks in the KVR music cafe.

Again you're going on with your inane and ignorant drivel.
You don't even know you can change the mixer layout in FL Studio, so you don't have to "tilt your head 90 degrees".
Still, and again, you criticize about something you have no knowledge about.

Sometimes it's difficult to seperate trolling and ignorance.
But good trolling usually has a hint of cleverness or obviousness.
But this. This is just pure arrogant ignorance.

[THE INTRANCER]

[experimental.crow]

I'm trying out FLStudio 12, why is it such an over bloated mess of windows and buttons at standard 1080P resolutions ? Anyway to get less than 100% scaling ? Also the colour combinations and contrasts look awful, no unity of colours, reminds me of a patchwork quilt looking at it. Also the sliders look toy like.

FL is heavily oriented to kids who make EDM music.

Kids love things with funny shapes and crazy colours.

or not ...

[tooneba]

As people always recommend, those who can't wrap their brain around FL's multi-track single clip and take advantage of it, just use Acid or Live. They are easiest and everyone can understand.

[Image-Line]

I've a nephew who's 10, he plays the 6 string guitar, I can imagine him having a confusing time trying to get his head around FLStudio 12 in it's current incarnation. I can't imagine the crazy shapes and colours helping him get around this application at all.

Come on.

ALL DAW software is mostly inscrutable for novice users. Crazy shapes and colors are landmarks for the brain. It's how we organize and orient ourselves. No?

FWIW do an experiment and sit someone who has no interest or experience in DAWs down in front of a blank/empty project in FL Studio and any other DAW. I can guarantee you they will be making some sort of organized noise in FL Studio first.

Regards Scott

[Image-Line]

FL is heavily oriented to kids who make EDM music.

Kids love things with funny shapes and crazy colours.

or not ...

As some people around here keep aserting.

Our user database is telling another story.

But, OTOH we are glad to be attracting the 'kids' (Hip Hop > Techno > EDM) for the last 20 years now. We seem to be doing something right.

[THE INTRANCER]

I've a nephew who's 10, he plays the 6 string guitar, I can imagine him having a confusing time trying to get his head around FLStudio 12 in it's current incarnation. I can't imagine the crazy shapes and colours helping him get around this application at all.

Come on.

ALL DAW software is mostly inscrutable for novice users. Crazy shapes and colors are landmarks for the brain. It's how we organize and orient ourselves. No?

FWIW do an experiment and sit someone who has no interest or experience in DAWs down in front of a blank/empty project in FL Studio and any other DAW. I can guarantee you they will be making some sort of organized noise in FL Studio first.

Regards Scott

Next time I see him in a few months time, I'll ask him which daw he likes the look of and can make sense of between FL Studio 12 & Studio One 3.5. That will be an interesting experiment.

When I was young around his age, I used a 8Bit Atari 800 XL with music software my brother had programmed, back in the 1980's.

[starflakeprj]

Come on.

ALL DAW software is mostly inscrutable for novice users. Crazy shapes and colors are landmarks for the brain. It's how we organize and orient ourselves. No?

FWIW do an experiment and sit someone who has no interest or experience in DAWs down in front of a blank/empty project in FL Studio and any other DAW. I can guarantee you they will be making some sort of organized noise in FL Studio first.

Regards Scott

Sorry Scott, when I started out in the music composing world, I tested a couple of DAWs. Cubase, Logic, Reason, and Fruity Loops (as it was named back then) was those I can remember at the back of my head. Reason was the only one I could actually understand how it worked without reading the manual and asking some friends of mind.

I took a break for a couple of years, and when I found the motivation again, Studio One (v1.5) was the only DAW that "sank right in" (besides Reason). I still couldn't wrap my head around Cubase and and FL Studio, so Studio One was actually the first DAW I bought, because it was so easy, linear and had such a direct workflow.

Now, some more years later, I own a bunch of DAWs. Studio One being my primary, with Reason my second choice and Bitwig my third. All these have a workflow that I understand without digging through manuals and tutorials. I also own FL Studio, Reaper, Renoise and Maschine, but they are much harder for me to "understand". So I would say I have already done the "experiment". But sure, I can make a simple drumloop quite easily in FL Studio

This post was not about bashing Image-Line and FL Studio though. I just wanted to share my point of view, because I don't share your's.

[Image-Line]

I just wanted to share my point of view, because I don't share your's.

I am talking specifically about starting from a blank project, with no knowledge of DAWs and making the first sounds too BTW. Not long-term satisfaction with workflows.

My point of view is based on focus groups and large sample sizes. Of course people prefer various workflows. Otherwise everyone would be using the same DAW.

You are talking about the latter, I am talking about the former. And this is in context of FL Studio somehow being the most confusing DAW the OP had ever seen with craziness and windows.

Regards Scott