New Wolfgang Palm (PPG Infinite) tool coming...

[Cinebient]

I don´t think there is a synth where you have this control over overtones and other stuff individually if you go deep into the editor.
Reaktor might can do all and everything but then i have so many tools which does everything better than Reaktor ever could do.

[wagtunes]

I don´t think there is a synth where you have this control over overtones and other stuff individually if you go deep into the editor.
Reaktor might can do all and everything but then i have so many tools which does everything better than Reaktor ever could do.

Well, like I said, what is the "control" over overtones worth to you?

$200?

Not to me.

[Cinebient]

I don´t think there is a synth where you have this control over overtones and other stuff individually if you go deep into the editor.
Reaktor might can do all and everything but then i have so many tools which does everything better than Reaktor ever could do.

Well, like I said, what is the "control" over overtones worth to you?

$200?

Not to me.

For me it is
But of course i wonder then why you bought this if you think a lot synths you own can create very similar stuff.

[Sampleconstruct]

Lists please.

[Cinebient]

Lists please.

Nooooooooooooooo

[pekbro]

My main issue with the lack of a demo, is that the main development platform here is quite obviously Mac. In my experience Mac developers often seem to have difficulty with windows ports. Particularly, when I see something like “if you’re on a Mac then it will do this” which was the case here. For that reason, I have learned never to purchase without a demo. Regardless of how famous or not, the developer happens to be.

I am using windows, and don’t even own an IPad.

-cheers

[wagtunes]

I don´t think there is a synth where you have this control over overtones and other stuff individually if you go deep into the editor.
Reaktor might can do all and everything but then i have so many tools which does everything better than Reaktor ever could do.

Well, like I said, what is the "control" over overtones worth to you?

$200?

Not to me.

For me it is
But of course i wonder then why you bought this if you think a lot synths you own can create very similar stuff.

Okay, first of all, you're making it sound like I am knocking this synth. I am not. The fact that I bought it says that I think it is a good, if not excellent synth. If I list the synths I've haven't bought, some pretty popular ones, would you then believe I am NOT knocking this synth?

All I said was that given what synths are going for (and please don't make me go into a big long dissertation on what I feel makes a synth worth $X) this synth, to ME, is not a $200 synth. That's all I'm saying.

I bought it because I only had to pay $145 for it. That to me is a reasonable price for this synth.

So what does this synth do that makes it different from a typical VA synth? Simple. It gives you the ability to change the timber of the sound over time. That, in a nutshell is what it does.

Are you telling me that there are NO other synths that allow you to change the timber of a sound over time?

I mean that is ultimately what this synth does. Does it do it in a different sort of way? Yes. But so what? Bazille does what it does in a different sort of way. I can make Bazille change timber over time.

I wouldn't pay $200 for Bazille either.

To me, a $200 and over synth is a workstation like synth. Something like Falcon, which is actually a lot more than $200.

Zebra 2 is one of the first synths I ever bought. It cost me $199. I measure all synths as far as cost against Zebra 2. That's my measuring stick. IMO, Infinite Pro is no Zebra 2. But it's not really even a fair comparison because they're two completely different synths.

What it comes down to for me is this. Does the uniqueness of a synth by itself warrant that synth selling at a premium? Not by itself. Not for me.

Anyway, here is my list of synths (since Simon asked) that do their own thing. No, they don't do what Infinite Pro does, but they don't cost $200 either. In fact, I will put the prices I paid for these "Unique" synths next to their names. Then maybe you'll understand why I would not pay $200 for Infinite Pro.

Aparillo - $99
Bazille - $129
Cyclop - $50
MUX Modular - $61
PolyM - $117
Reaktor 6 - $99
Wavenapper 2 - $113

Tell me what other synths do what these synths do.

In fact, Wavemapper 2 (also by WP), which is very unique, only cost me $113. That Infinite Pro is that much more, stuns the hell out of me.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue this anymore. As this is MY opinion as far as the worth of a synth, it is neither right nor wrong. It is just MY opinion.

So you can agree, not agree, whatever.

Again, I love the synth. I simply would not have loved it at $200.

[Cinebient]

I don´t think there is a synth where you have this control over overtones and other stuff individually if you go deep into the editor.
Reaktor might can do all and everything but then i have so many tools which does everything better than Reaktor ever could do.

Well, like I said, what is the "control" over overtones worth to you?

$200?

Not to me.

For me it is
But of course i wonder then why you bought this if you think a lot synths you own can create very similar stuff.

Okay, first of all, you're making it sound like I am knocking this synth. I am not. The fact that I bought it says that I think it is a good, if not excellent synth. If I list the synths I've haven't bought, some pretty popular ones, would you then believe I am NOT knocking this synth?

All I said was that given what synths are going for (and please don't make me go into a big long dissertation on what I feel makes a synth worth $X) this synth, to ME, is not a $200 synth. That's all I'm saying.

I bought it because I only had to pay $145 for it. That to me is a reasonable price for this synth.

So what does this synth do that makes it different from a typical VA synth? Simple. It gives you the ability to change the timber of the sound over time. That, in a nutshell is what it does.

Are you telling me that there are NO other synths that allow you to change the timber of a sound over time?

I mean that is ultimately what this synth does. Does it do it in a different sort of way? Yes. But so what? Bazille does what it does in a different sort of way. I can make Bazille change timber over time.

I wouldn't pay $200 for Bazille either.

To me, a $200 and over synth is a workstation like synth. Something like Falcon, which is actually a lot more than $200.

Zebra 2 is one of the first synths I ever bought. It cost me $199. I measure all synths as far as cost against Zebra 2. That's my measuring stick. IMO, Infinite Pro is no Zebra 2. But it's not really even a fair comparison because they're two completely different synths.

What it comes down to for me is this. Does the uniqueness of a synth by itself warrant that synth selling at a premium? Not by itself. Not for me.

Anyway, here is my list of synths (since Simon asked) that do their own thing. No, they don't do what Infinite Pro does, but they don't cost $200 either. In fact, I will put the prices I paid for these "Unique" synths next to their names. Then maybe you'll understand why I would not pay $200 for Infinite Pro.

Aparillo - $99
Bazille - $129
Cyclop - $50
MUX Modular - $61
PolyM - $117
Reaktor 6 - $99
Wavenapper 2 - $113

Tell me what other synths do what these synths do.

In fact, Wavemapper 2 (also by WP), which is very unique, only cost me $113. That Infinite Pro is that much more, stuns the hell out of me.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue this anymore. As this is MY opinion as far as the worth of a synth, it is neither right nor wrong. It is just MY opinion.

So you can agree, not agree, whatever.

Again, I love the synth. I simply would not have loved it at $200.

Well, O.K.
You take things too personally here man. I even don´t thought you would try to put this synth down.
Value is of course in the eye of the beholder and if i would compare my 10 dollar synths apps against plug-ins this way i would never ever buy one again.
So everything is fine and let´s forget that conversation.
Sorry that i even started it. We have enough of this crap in these threads.

[wagtunes]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

[Cinebient]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

And i would even buy it at that price....
Let´s move on.

[wagtunes]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

And i would even buy it at that price....
Let´s move on.

Moving on. On a positive note, if you own Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 and created your own WTS files, the conversion to Infinite Pro is easy. It's one click. Unfortunately, you have to do them one at a time as there is no batch conversion.

[Cinebient]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

And i would even buy it at that price....
Let´s move on.

Moving on. On a positive note, if you own Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 and created your own WTS files, the conversion to Infinite Pro is easy. It's one click. Unfortunately, you have to do them one at a time as there is no batch conversion.

I think you also can import things from Phonem into Infinite Pro.
They want you to get all their stuff

[wagtunes]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

And i would even buy it at that price....
Let´s move on.

Moving on. On a positive note, if you own Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 and created your own WTS files, the conversion to Infinite Pro is easy. It's one click. Unfortunately, you have to do them one at a time as there is no batch conversion.

I think you also can import things from Phonem into Infinite Pro.
They want you to get all their stuff

I can understand that. It's all really great and unique. I'm sure the day will come that I'll get Phonem. Maybe next year sometime.

[Sampleconstruct]

Well, you asked why I bought it. I bought it because it didn't cost $200. LOL

And i would even buy it at that price....
Let´s move on.

Moving on. On a positive note, if you own Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 and created your own WTS files, the conversion to Infinite Pro is easy. It's one click. Unfortunately, you have to do them one at a time as there is no batch conversion.

I think you also can import things from Phonem into Infinite Pro.
They want you to get all their stuff

You export utterance chains from Phonem directly into the Import-folder of Infinite Pro, those can then be imported and used as shapes for the Molder-filter with quite spectacular results.

[pdxindy]

And as far as existing synths, nothing exactly like Infinite but there are synths that also have a multitude of ways to modulate its sound, including the recent Aparillo, which can also do things that Infinite Pro can't do. In fact, overall, I'd say those two synths have more in common than you'd imagine.

These 2 synths are nothing alike...

Personally, I find Aparillo boring... nothing I've heard sounds good. That is a case where I think people praising it is a koolaid thing.

Infinite Pro has a much more capable featureset, including being able to resynthesize user waves. Value is subjective, but Infinite Pro is easily worth 2-3 times what Aparillo costs.