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Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:11 pm

@ peter H

1st ... I always like your OSC tracks.

I sent BJ Porter a heads up a while back. I also suggested to wait a bit for the Mac release.Fathom has Mac support and some new goodies. A much more mature synth now. I dont know how he makes his choices but sometimes they seem strange. Thorn for example is a great synth but doesnt really fit the OSC qualifications. Brainstormer never made it and it was a great free synth programed in C+. Fathom Mono is free and i think it would make a great OSC....Soooo, If you have any influence or can at least send BJ a note, maybe we can get an opportunity with Fathom soon.

] Peter:H [ · Post by **] Peter:H [** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:31 pm

Scrubbing Monkeys wrote:@ peter H

1st ... I always like your OSC tracks.

I sent BJ Porter a heads up a while back. I also suggested to wait a bit for the Mac release.Fathom has Mac support and some new goodies. A much more mature synth now. I dont know how he makes his choices but sometimes they seem strange. Thorn for example is a great synth but doesnt really fit the OSC qualifications. Brainstormer never made it and it was a great free synth programed in C+. Fathom Mono is free and i think it would make a great OSC....Soooo, If you have any influence or can at least send BJ a note, maybe we can get an opportunity with Fathom soon.

@Scrubbin Monkeys: Thanks for you nice words about my tracks! I try to spread the word over there in OSC#106 and try to call attention to Fathom. May be I'm going to write a PM to BJ myself, but only next year

I think we had a few very terrible synths like this noisetar "monster" and I don't see why we should not go for Fathom. May be Mr. Fathom and Mr. OSC can come up with a deal like it was for Thorn. I think it's a clever win:win situation- We OSCrians learn a lot and Fathom get's the love of sound designers it needs.

BTW: Is there need for more presets for Fathom? Like the speech one I've posted. May be a Version with the words "This is Fathom!"? Now that I'm a bit more familiar with it, I probably start to recreated some of the presets I did for Thorn...not quite shure that it will work out, but I'll give it a try.

FathomSynth · Post by **FathomSynth** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:59 pm

RPH, Yes your presets have contributed a lot to the release. I think you have a talent for pads, some of them sound like they were made by aliens form outer space.

Peter, Yes I’ve been thinking the same thing. It would be killer if it could automatically load all 16 wave positions from a folder of WAV files. I will try to do that for the next release.

Also, I’m listenging to your Kraftwerk tribute as I write this. Very impressive, makes me feel like I’m back at the Avalon on Vine Street in Hollywood. They had world class DJ’s there every week.

I think I will put a link to your sound cloud on the Artists page, if at some point you can do an all Fathom track.

Fathom Wave Table Specs, 16 slots of 16384 samples per buffer. The wave draw buffer is 1024 samples on the GUI, but after the FFT partials are assembled and the wave is reconstructed alias free at 16384 samples per cycle, unless the partials dial is modulated, then its 4096 samples per buffer.

Also, in 2.0 I switched to pre-calculated bicubic interpolation in the tables, which lowers the HF noise floor below -150 dB.

However, the good news is, the import loads any size WAV file, it does not care about the input size, it will just convert it. So you should be able to load entire AdvantureKid tables or any other. If not let me know and I will fix it.

For the bug, I think you had the Saw button pressed which reverts it to the default saw. I need to change that to a toggle button. When I loaded your preset I did not have any trouble saving the second wave to file, then loading it into the first one.

VariKusBrainZ, Thanks for reporting the dead link, should be fixed now.

It would be great to have Fathom selected for the One Synth Challenge. To be honest I was waiting until the features are a bit stronger. I think we are close, but I want to finish the oscillator redesign in the next release. Then I will contact him.

Peter, Yes we need more presets for Fathom. Scrubbing Monkeys and RPH have both created banks. There is room for one or two more sound designers, so send your stuff in when you are ready. Also, if sales increase in 2018 this could become a payed position. I know also Wagtunes has done banks for many of the great synths currently out there now.

Also, I've been in touch with the professional sound design team from the Netherlands who actually did some of the original factory banks for Avenger !!! These guys are amazing. They were also very helpful recommending features for Fathom. But I still have yet to add some necessary units to Fathom like a compressor and limiter, then I will contact them again.

] Peter:H [ · Post by **] Peter:H [** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:08 pm

FathomSynth wrote:
Peter, Yes we need more presets for Fathom. Scrubbing Monkeys and RPH have both created banks. There is room for one or two more sound designers, so send your stuff in when you are ready. Also, if sales increase in 2018 this could become a payed position. I know also Wagtunes has done banks for many of the great synths currently out there now.

Also, I've been in touch with the professional sound design team from the Netherlands who actually did some of the original factory banks for Avenger !!! These guys are amazing. They were also very helpful recommending features for Fathom. But I still have yet to add some necessary units to Fathom like a compressor and limiter, then I will contact them again.

Avenger is killer! That is an incredible Synth! And the presets are amazing indeed.

Anyway, find attached some of my preset samples...One is especially cool, it's based on Tron Choir Sample which I fragemented into 1024 samples pieces and just imported some fragements to some slots of the 16 slots. Then I let a LFO scan over it, it gives you nice rhythmic pad, because inbetween the Tron fragments there are still SAW fragments. In the end it gives some nice movement. Then I took this newly created wavetable and copied it to a second Oscillator with a LFO somebit out of phase, then a bit panning and fx...voila...
Feel free to use these presets if you like. I'm collecting some more and send updates from time to time...but only if your interested and the presets are not completely crap

Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:38 pm

If Fathom can load a wav of any size, it becomes a sampler as well. No?

If I understand correctly I can drag a large wave to to WT oscillator but it only goes into one slot. However I can take that same large wav and cut it up into 16 slices @ zero crossings ( in an external editor ) and regardless of their size, load those up at each index position. I now have my table. Yes?

FathomSynth · Post by **FathomSynth** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:58 pm

Peter, Nice work on the presets, I especially like the Drone and SEQ LFO WT Scan.

SM, Well not exactly, It can load any sample but it will always try to play it once every cycle.
Instead of playing it once through for each MIDI note it is assigned to, like a sampler.

The difference being that a Sampler takes a wave file one second in duration assigns it to MIDI A4, and plays each sample in the buffer one to one with each sample at the playback rate of 44100 samples per second, which in this case would be once every second, then it just plays it twice as fast for A5. On the other hand, an oscillator will attempt to play the entire buffer 440 times per second. Big difference.

I've been planning on adding a Sampler to Fathom for a long time, but I want to get the basic features out of the way first, because when I add the Sampler (and Arpeggiator) to Fathom, its going to be the Sampler to end all Samplers, multiple loop points, reverse playback, granular, automatic single cycle waveform extraction, modulate-able waveform points, Auto-populate multiple samples to MIDI Notes, a full featured MIDI Key sample mapping table, etc.

In your second paragraph, yes, dragging a wav into the panel will assign it to the slot currently selected by the dial. And cutting it up into single cycle wave forms, (with Audacity) and loading each into a slot works great (that's what I do).

Incidentally, in the next release if I have time, I will make it so it will import a large sample WAV file with the note in the file name, and automatically chop it up into individual single cycle wave forms spaced evenly over the entire sample and then load each into its own slot in the wave table. This will give you the ability to "Fathom-Wave-Table-ize" any sample with a single drag and drop.

Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:12 pm

Ok, that mskes sense, it would constantly be choking itself.

I myself am in no hurry to see Fathom have a sampler. I for one prefer to generate my sounds.

I am excited to fool around with chopping up a wav and see how it plays out. Latley I have been drawing single cycle waves and using Mux' s ability to save generated single cycle waves from additive harmonics as foundations for my wave tables. Tried out dome Adventure kid stuff also.

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:48 pm

When does the sale start ?
Dont need a new synth but willing to throw a few dollars at any up coming developer

RPH · Post by **RPH** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:31 am

bungle wrote:When does the sale start ?
Dont need a new synth but willing to throw a few dollars at any up coming developer

https://www.kvraudio.com/marketplace/fa ... weed-audio

FathomSynth · Post by **FathomSynth** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:59 am

It's a "one day" only New Years sale, and it will be active January 1, and January 2, a one day grace period for the sake of international users or any people that read the news late and barely miss the deadline. Then it goes back to the normal price, so I can buy myself some Ramen Noodles, Minute Rice and Maker's Mark for January.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:20 am

I just bought it now. I hadn't tried this yet, and bought it purely on reputation and to get it at the sale price. Even if I don't use it, it literally costs the same as a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:02 am

This thing really chews up my CPU, I don't think I'll use it much. But it was only $5.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:10 am

is changing presets really as hard as it seems in the demo?

ftech · Post by **ftech** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:29 am

So, only on sale through the KVR Marketplace and not on fathomsynth.com?

FathomSynth · Post by **FathomSynth** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:36 am

Yes, only on KVR Marketplace.

ATS, Changing presets is hard? Changing presets requires one button press on the front panel (top), and one mouse click from inside the preset browser. What could be easier? Please be more specific.

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