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Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:01 am

I hope the Sonar widows will find a better DAW and forget that Sonar existed.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:14 am

beatmangler443 wrote:Maybe Spectrasonics???

Unless I've been away from KVR too long and missed some sort of announcement, I seriously doubt that Spectrasonics has any intentions of developing a DAW. That just seems way outside their realm of sample-based instruments/synths. Besides, if they did announce a DAW in 2018, they'd probably go silent on it for about five or six years and we'd still never see it in our lifetimes.

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:29 am

DAW predictions 2018 from VST Host land ? Let see more buggy versions of the same VST host with a few added features not worth the upgrade price with old bugs still not fixed and new bugs added , but if you are a new customer we're gonna roll the red carpet out for you and give you some freebies that previous adopters had to pay for ....

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 am

Romantique Tp wrote:I hope the Sonar widows will find a better DAW and forget that Sonar existed.

really? Though I bought Sonar 5 back when it was current (got a deal on it when I had a computer built by pc audiolabs) I really didn't care for it so I never really used it (but liked the fx and some vsti's I got when pcal built my current machine). Still as an ex-salesman I remember the day cakewalk reps first showed it to us, I wasn't using a computer then though and my studio was HD. I'm not a fan, my first audio/midi program was home studio 9 I think and old timers here might recall me calling it crapwalk home toilet but I'm not a hater. With that said I think it's a shame all those who have been loyal to Sonar and some have spent literally almost two decades with it got body slammed like this. Waiting in hopes of new things with the new upgrade policies and such and instead they had the rug pulled out from under them. Many of those people are my friends here on KvR and frankly I dont like it that this happen to them.

You probably agree, but you blame Sonar, I blame Gibson and Cakewalk. I dont hope my friends lose all their time put in and now feel pressured to find a new DAW. Sure they can stick with Sonar but the uncertainty is surely a creativity killer. I cant say there is a better DAW for them and I truly hope the never forget it existed. I hope that someone sees the values in the years of coding, the rep it once had, the rep it could have and how to right the ship. I wish my friends to have what I have, a DAW that not everyone is going to like, that I have spent years of my time learning and is the cornerstone of my studio. To lose that would not be a total knockdown, I too would find something else and start over, but it sure would leave me adrift for awhile. Sorry I dont hope that for my friends or anyone, those people I speak of cared about Sonar and not mergers, parent companies or bottom lines...they just got along well with Sonar.

Of course if that doesn't happen I wish them well with what they choose and as time goes on I'm sure many if not most will find things they like more. But if it happened to Samplitude I would get in a virtual time machine and stay in 2018 with my DAW, I have got so, so many projects started over the years saved that bring me inspiration, to migrate them would be a chore and they are kind of my retirement plan

. Just wouldn't want to lose my DAW, I hope someone saves and puts new life in Sonar

yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:19 am

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:41 am

yellowmix wrote: Steven Slate is apparently killed and the world mourns.

This is the least believable part of your post.

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:44 am

kb420 wrote: Let me ask you this, would you want Microsoft to just buy Cakewalk and continue Sonar Platinum, or would you rather the former Cakewalk employees go to work for Microsoft on a brand new DAW written from the ground up with all new code optimized to work with Windows 10 and up?

This...

A totally new, programmed from ground up DAW.. from former CW developers, under MS.. could be great.

Would basically be the MS equivalent of Apples Logic.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:23 am

progtronic wrote:
kb420 wrote: Let me ask you this, would you want Microsoft to just buy Cakewalk and continue Sonar Platinum, or would you rather the former Cakewalk employees go to work for Microsoft on a brand new DAW written from the ground up with all new code optimized to work with Windows 10 and up?
This...

A totally new, programmed from ground up DAW.. from former CW developers, under MS.. could be great.

Would basically be the MS equivalent of Apples Logic.

Yes but not likely to happen. Under Nadella's leadership, MS is not what it once were. It seems they are more into imitating what Google and the others are doing and kill off their cash cows (like office and windows).

Whatever they do, if they would step into this market they would acquire a DAW, not develop a new one. And it would not be for desktop per se. To MS it's all about the cloud now.

Not a prediction, but a fear is that if Presonus get in financial problems like Gibson, S1 might be in trouble. Hopefully Presonus would then sell it off rather than kill it (like Gibson likes to do). I think S1 is in a better shape codewise than Sonar was.

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:25 pm

SparkySpark wrote:
progtronic wrote:
kb420 wrote: Let me ask you this, would you want Microsoft to just buy Cakewalk and continue Sonar Platinum, or would you rather the former Cakewalk employees go to work for Microsoft on a brand new DAW written from the ground up with all new code optimized to work with Windows 10 and up?
This...

A totally new, programmed from ground up DAW.. from former CW developers, under MS.. could be great.

Would basically be the MS equivalent of Apples Logic.
Yes but not likely to happen. Under Nadella's leadership, MS is not what it once were. It seems they are more into imitating what Google and the others are doing and kill off their cash cows (like office and windows).

Whatever they do, if they would step into this market they would acquire a DAW, not develop a new one. And it would not be for desktop per se. To MS it's all about the cloud now.

Not a prediction, but a fear is that if Presonus get in financial problems like Gibson, S1 might be in trouble. Hopefully Presonus would then sell it off rather than kill it (like Gibson likes to do). I think S1 is in a better shape codewise than Sonar was.

What impression is given that PreSonus are having financial problems? They are much better ran company then Gibson imo. If it was bad we wouldn't see them come out with studio live iii mixer and all this other stuff their coming out with. They got a investment from a bank a while back. They are primarily owned by a venture capital company. Same guy who put money into them when they first started is the had guy. They also have the former chairmen of whole foods on the PreSonus board of directors. Anyway, they seem fine.

https://intrepidib.com/financing-presonus/

Watch the video.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:10 pm

- Aliens land and enlist the earth into their federation of planets.
- They abolish all forms of money.
- Only software developers left are doing it for fun.
- Nobody realises that we're actually dreaming and are being used as living batteries.
- No more use for us batteries.
- The world goes up in flames.
- Steven Slate and the frozen head of Orville Gibson are watching this from their secret Nazi base on the moon.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:47 pm

T-CM11 wrote: - Steven Slate and the frozen head of Orville Gibson are watching this from their secret Nazi base on the moon.

In the Antarctic

Get it right

trampofnine · Post by **trampofnine** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:48 pm

Sony Acid Pro makes a huge comeback!
New developers with immense talent are recruited!
The GUI re designed by people on acid, Sony Acid Pro becomes a psychedelic rainbow of disco colours.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:49 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
T-CM11 wrote: - Steven Slate and the frozen head of Orville Gibson are watching this from their secret Nazi base on the moon.

In the Antarctic

Get it right

See the step above it.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:58 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
T-CM11 wrote: - Steven Slate and the frozen head of Orville Gibson are watching this from their secret Nazi base on the moon.

In the Antarctic

Get it right
See the step above it.

Antarctic wont burn as its made of ice

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:06 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote: Antarctic wont burn as its made of ice

It's not.
But maybe I'm talking to a creationist or other nutjob here... in that case: The giant turtle supporting our pancake planet will eat the Antarctic like an ice cream!!!

Predictions for 2018 DAW Market