Korg updates its Legacy Collection with a new Arp Odyssey emulation

[ENV1]

It's just bizarre that you see your request as completely altruistic and selfless (even though it caters to your desires) while calling others selfish.

Yes, very bizarre.

To suggest that everyone should get what they want rather than just one group...somebody call the POLICE!

[chk071]

Even more of a reason to think about why they completely throw out 32-bit for their plugins. Obviously, the target audience for that is neglectable, in their eyes.

Not that i think that they have more than a handful of devs coding their plugins, though.

[wagtunes]

ENV1, let me ask you a serious question. Where do we draw the line? Do we still maintain software for those running Windows 95? How about XP? When Microsoft officially cuts off support for Windows 7 (I really need to find that date that they announced it would happen) do we still support Windows 7?

How far back do you want to go with the "everybody should be supported" mentality?

I'm just curious where your "line in the sand" is.

If you want an honest answer, id say it depends.

There may be good reasons to cease support for OS flavors older than Windows7, i.e. compatibility reasons.

But no such reason exists with regard to bitness because stuff that runs on a 32bit OS usually runs on 64bit too.

(Or the other way around, if you prefer.)


At any rate, what there is absolutely NO reason for at all is to kill 32bit only so some people who just dont give a damn about others can get their toys faster. (If that would even be the case.)

This is sheer inexcusable egotism and in my opinion has no place in a civilized society.

I agree with that too IF that's the case. I'm not sure it is. And quite honestly, what does it matter?

If a company has any sense at all, it's going to look at the market. It's going to look at how many people are buying their 32 bit software and how many are buying their 64 bit software, if there's even a way to tell. And then, based on that data, they're going to decide whether or not to continue to support 32 bit software. Cubase has already dumped 32 bit and doesn't even have a bridge in the DAW anymore. That's part of the reason why I'm still running Cubase 7, even though they're up to 9.5. This is a decision that I've made. I don't expect them to support Cubase 7 anymore.

And...guess what? If synth developers stop testing for Cubase 7 (it's going to happen) and say that their software may not run on it and, after downloading the demo, find out it doesn't run, I'll have a decision to make. Do I upgrade to Cubase 9 or 10? If I do, will my older plugins still work?

It sucks. But it's also life. It's been this way ever since I've been using PCs. Would you like to see all my old adventure games that I can't play anymore? Some of them are my all time favorites. I'm not happy about it. But there isn't a hell of a lot I can do about it, is there.

Point is, all of this is out of our hands. The developers will do what THEY want to do. And if that means someday 32 bit software will no longer exist and no ongoing support for old 32 bit systems, oh well, that's life. I've been dealing with it for 34 years.

I don't expect it to change now.

[Aloysius]

Even more of a reason to think about why they completely throw out 32-bit for their plugins. Obviously, the target audience for that is neglectable, in their eyes.

Not that i think that they have more than a handful of devs coding their plugins, though.

What? Based on a KVR Poll? Everybody knows how fake KVR Polls are (or maybe you don't).

[ENV1]

Did anybody write to KORG and say, please don't make any 64bit plug-ins, just stick with 32bit plug-ins?

Yeah.

I cant remember EVER having said 'away with 64bit, it draws time and resouces from my 32bit toys'.

(You know, back when the only 64bit system in people homes was a N64?)

Wouldnt have crossed my mind either, maybe i should regret that now...

[chk071]

Even more of a reason to think about why they completely throw out 32-bit for their plugins. Obviously, the target audience for that is neglectable, in their eyes.

Not that i think that they have more than a handful of devs coding their plugins, though.

What? Based on a KVR Poll?

Well, if three of the major DAW's go 64-bit only, without even offering a bit bridge, you can figure how big the target audience is by now...

And, yeah, i agree that the KVR poll wasn't very meaningful, as i'm sure many of the 32-bit advocates did vote there.

Anyway, it's not my, or other's intention to make you angry, it's rather about being rational, and seeing things the way they are. Or why do you think more and more developers completely scratch 32-bit development? Surely not to punish their many, many users still using 32-bit exclusively.

[jsp1979]

It's just bizarre that you see your request as completely altruistic and selfless (even though it caters to your desires) while calling others selfish.

Yes, very bizarre.

To suggest that everyone should get what they want rather than just one group...somebody call the POLICE!

To be clear, I am not pushing KORG to only produce 64-bit versions. It doesn't really matter to me.

My point is that both sides are making a selfish argument....and honestly that's fine. But don't pretend you're being altruistic, though. Your reasoning for calling the "64-bit crowd only" selfish can be used against you to point out that you are also being selfish. There's nothing wrong with being selfish in a context like this.

[jsp1979]

the 64bit mob ...

If you don't get rid of your 32-bit vsts, they'll break your thumb.....drives.

[jacqueslacouth]

Really....32 bit users need to build a bridge....oh wait....

[ENV1]

If a company has any sense at all, it's going to look at the market. It's going to look at how many people are buying their 32 bit software and how many are buying their 64 bit software, if there's even a way to tell. And then, based on that data, they're going to decide whether or not to continue to support 32 bit software.

Well of course.

And i can understand that if its simply a economic necessity.

(What can you do.)

But thats not what im so miffed about, its the fact that some would kill 32bit solely because they want their stuff faster.


Footnote: I really wouldnt want to hear all those bleeding-edge heroes if the immediate cessation of VST2 was announced and theyd all be required to switch to VST3 if they want any updates or any new stuff. Wraaahhh...how dare they get rid of this nice old outdated proven standard which worked so well all these decades. (If you follow me meaning.))

[wagtunes]

If a company has any sense at all, it's going to look at the market. It's going to look at how many people are buying their 32 bit software and how many are buying their 64 bit software, if there's even a way to tell. And then, based on that data, they're going to decide whether or not to continue to support 32 bit software.

Well of course.

And i can understand that if its simply a economic necessity.

(What can you do.)

But thats not what im so miffed about, its the fact that some would kill 32bit solely because they want their stuff faster.


Footnote: I really wouldnt want to hear all those bleeding-edge heroes if the immediate cessation of VST2 was announced and theyd all be required to switch to VST3 if they want any updates or any new stuff. Wraaahhh...how dare they get rid of this nice old outdated proven standard which worked so well all these decades. (If you follow me meaning.))

Oh believe me, I get it. And with so many of my VSTs only in VST2 format, I have no idea what would happen to them.

But you know what? That's life.

It wouldn't be the first time I've lost TONS of software over the years.

[thecontrolcentre]

Hardware FTW

[ENV1]

My point is that both sides are making a selfish argument...

Wanting updates and new stuff for everyone cant be 'selfish'.

It just doesnt tally with the definition of what that word means.

[chk071]

My point is that both sides are making a selfish argument...

Wanting updates and new stuff for everyone cant be 'selfish'.

But, it isn't "for everyone", when a small minority wants to get served, when it takes away ressources from the big majority. And, it's also not about "getting your toys faster", if you had any idea of the amount of coding and testing work involved, you'd get that.

Anyway, we're really running in circles here. Ultimately, it's a business decision, based on pros and cons, and considerations on how much return you will receive for how much effort. And, obviously, Korg didn't think it pays off. And, personally, i can understand that very well.

[ENV1]

It wouldn't be the first time I've lost TONS of software over the years.

Know the feeling.

I have enough stuff in the basement to open a vintage software shop.

Thats exactly why id rather it wouldnt continue to happen.

(Not needlessly anyway.)