Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[samsam]

No company in the history of the world has ever offered a better deal than a previously offered 'best possible' deal.

Never. Not once.

[ghettosynth]

No company in the history of the world has ever offered a better deal than a previously offered 'best possible' deal.

Never. Not once.

Oh, don't get me wrong, as I say, I don't for a second believe that they won't offer a lower price because that's how you sop up all of that extra "consumer surplus." It's just using time to separate your different market segments, e.g., early adopters vs bargain hunters.

However, companies do change their business practices and it wouldn't surprise me if Arturia is trying to do that here, only time will tell. Even if they are, however, the language doesn't preclude the same offer being reused.

That said, if they do eventually offer a lower price, expect a shit-storm of pissy whining here on KVR about how they "promised."

[samsam]

Agreed 100 %

[JonSolo]

I am just not finding "holes" that Arturia's new V would fill for $200. For $99 I would "finish" my collection because I am a completist. Otherwise, I am happy where I am in not getting it.

[mutantdog]

Just out of interest, how often do Arturia release a new V collection?

Perhaps the smarter approach is to to just upgrade alternate versions, much the same as many people do with Komplete.

[Fleer]

I don't know how many emails i've received telling me "hurry now, sale ends at midnight" or something to that effect, followed by another email the next day saying the sale has been extended an extra week. I think there's a parallel there to this whole Arturia thing, it may be the best price they will offer ever but i doubt it's the last time they will offer it.

Up to 77% off iZotope extended until January 8
Up to 60% off Softube extended until January 9
Up to 50% off AAS extended until January 15
Up to 50% off Overloud extended until January 6
50% off all Beatskillz extended until January 9

My point demonstrated.

That’s why I count on Uncle E to tell me which deals are being extended, so I can cancel the individual emails. Thanks, Uncle!

[ghettosynth]

Just out of interest, how often do Arturia release a new V collection?

Perhaps the smarter approach is to to just upgrade alternate versions, much the same as many people do with Komplete.

I somewhat predicted this update. I calculated that there was about 18 months between the last two releases and so we were due for one. So expect V7 sometime in the spring/summer of 2019.

I actually skipped V5 and if V6 doesn't go on sale for $99 then I'll skip it as well.

[S79]

Hi can someone help, I ordered Seaweed Fathom via KVR marketplace ($5 offer), originally I was going to pay by paypal, but the email with invoice took a while to get to me so in that time I did another order for it and paid instantly via credit card which went through fine
However i since then got the paypal invoice email! And just now a reminder too.

Can i just ignore this? Can someone cancel the invoice? And how do you get in touch with marketplace directly?
P.S. invoice KVRMP#2136.

[mutantdog]

The Fathom dev is pretty active in the main Instruments thread, maybe worth dropping a PM: memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=395948

I guess if you've paid by card and received your serial number you can probably just ignore the paypal invoice.

[elxsound]

I don't know why but I still feel confused about what to do with the Arturia upgrade. They do seem to be making it very clear that there won't be a better upgrade price from V Collection 5 to 6 than $199 (at least that's how I interpret the "best offer you'll ever receive" thing). But it still feels odd they'd be that explicit and not leave the door open to offer the upgrade at a lower price in the future, as they have in the past. I feel somehow like I'm being forced to make a decision quickly, but it seems odd that $199 is being treated as a special limited time price and not a normal upgrade price.

It is almost certainly not the "best offer that you will ever receive." Even if they have changed their plans to do deeper sales, which I doubt, there's only so much space between their retail price and their upgrade price. V7 will almost certainly be a "better offer" even if the upgrade price is slightly higher.

Further, that statement does not preclude that you will receive the same offer again, which is so likely that I would bet actual cash that it will happen.

They are hoping that your FOMO will get you to pull the trigger. Unless you need it now, you are almost certainly better off to wait because there is a nonzero chance that the price will be lower and an almost certainty that the same sale will be offered again.

Honestly, I don't understand what is different this time than the previous versions. I bought V3 on the KVR Marketplace. Then Version 4 was on initial upgrade offer at 199$, same thing for Version 5.

Later, I received lower upgrade offers every time, so I would not worry about that. It will come if you can wait.

The difference is the explicit language in the upgrade offer that, given your existing products, you will not receive a "better offer." I have all of the upgrade emails going back to V3 and I can't see that language being used before. So, some people are concerned that Arturia is changing their MO.

Even if they are, however, that language doesn't preclude them offering the same price again.

There's nothing explicit, because its just a play on language. They can offer the same price or even a lower price later and the wording would still be correct, but interpretation aside, this is just good marketing and getting people to think they must do this now or miss out forever.

The same deal will be available later, so no pressure to upgrade now. Plus there's a chance as many have said, that the upgrade deal might be cheaper later.

For everyone not upgrading, this could still be cheaper later once the same deal is offered through vendors like JRR. I think since v4, the collection has been offered for $250 at various times throughout the year.

[elxsound]

I am just not finding "holes" that Arturia's new V would fill for $200. For $99 I would "finish" my collection because I am a completist. Otherwise, I am happy where I am in not getting it.

SW Action Figure collector?

[ghettosynth]

There's nothing explicit, because its just a play on language.

Regardless of whether you view the language as explicit or simply specific, that exact wording has not been used before at least in any of the emails that I have going back to V3.

They can offer the same price or even a lower price later and the wording would still be correct.

The statement is this:

Your previous version entitle you to the best offer you will ever receive.

I don't see that as not being explicit. Certainly a lower price would make the statement true when delivered with the lower price, but, it would have made the previous assertion of "best" false given that nothing else has changed. "will ever" is pretty explicit here. If one were to take that statement seriously then I don't see how they could offer a lower price on the same release at any time in the future without invalidating their previous statement.

, but interpretation aside, this is just good marketing and getting people to think they must do this now or miss out forever.

Of course, if by good you mean from the POV of the vendor. From the consumer's point of view it's a sleazy FOMO tactic like furniture stores losing their lease.

[mementus]

Hi guys,

do you know when there will be another SoundToys Sale, please?

[elxsound]

There's nothing explicit, because its just a play on language.

Regardless of whether you view the language as explicit or simply specific, that exact wording has not been used before at least in any of the emails that I have going back to V3.

They can offer the same price or even a lower price later and the wording would still be correct.

The statement is this:

Your previous version entitle you to the best offer you will ever receive.

I don't see that as not being explicit. Certainly a lower price would make the statement true when delivered with the lower price, but, it would have made the previous assertion of "best" false given that nothing else has changed. "will ever" is pretty explicit here. If one were to take that statement seriously then I don't see how they could offer a lower price on the same release at any time in the future without invalidating their previous statement.

, but interpretation aside, this is just good marketing and getting people to think they must do this now or miss out forever.

Of course, if by good you mean from the POV of the vendor. From the consumer's point of view it's a sleazy FOMO tactic like furniture stores losing their lease.

If you can't explicitly narrow down what you've interpreted from that statement, then the statement is not as explicitly stated as you have chosen it to be.

The only thing guaranteed and as stated by others previously is that your previous purchase guarantees you to receive the lowest price. End of story. The moment you start focusing on smaller portions of that statement is the same moment you've taken things out of context.

Someone remind me not quote ghettosynth without a set of vodka shots next to me because we all know the next response will be book-length without being book worthy.

[Fleer]

Here we go again