KVR Audio

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:59 am

Trancit wrote: It´s like having a frame, where you work with 3 seperate programs at the same time and where you can copy and paste a bit between them...

This describes FL Studio really well and it also correlates perfectly in the way it was developed. It is indeed bits and bobs bolted onto one another as they've been developed. Hence the rather chaotic nature.

I still think FL Studio is an absolutely brilliant quick sketchpad. That's what it's best for.. but as soon as the projects grow I quickly abandon it and move it all into Reaper (or Logic Audio, depending on client wishes and who/what the project is for).

Having said that, I haven't really used FL Studio actively for several years now. It's rather daunting to get back to it considering how complex it's become.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:15 am

Image-Line wrote:
inkwarp wrote:
highkoo wrote:Nice.

Any eta on Graph Editor return?
graph editor??
Its being (re)developed as we speak. So, FL Studio 20, assuming nothing major happens in between now and then.

Regards Scott

This is one of the most awesome things for quick sketches. Can you confirm or deny if we have a good way of "micro time shifting" positions for steps in both directions this time around? The old way was to put a step 1 whole step before and then position shift it almost all the way.

The graph editor was what "made" FL studio for me as a groove creation tool as it was incredibly quick to get a beat up and running that wasn't quantized like crazy. You could also layer kicks and snares very accurately as you could time shift them just a tiny bit to match phase (or un-match phase on purpose).

So yeah, in that graph the function to nudge notes a tiny bit in time was the most valuable in my opinion. Hopefully that returns. And no.. the piano roll is NOT a good substitute for the steps which are visually a lot more clear when a lot of things are going on (of course just my subjective opinion).

EDIT: I realize that I come off quite unthankful and that needs to be rectified. FL Studio is by far the software (of any commercial software) that I've gotten the most bang for my buck. I just browsed through the history thing you have on the website and realized that I bought my license back in 1998. That. is crazy. Crazy. I distinctly remember "upgrading" to some version of 2.0 that gave me the TS404 or something.. but I don't think I paid a penny ever since then and just look at how far FL Studio has come.

Sure, I've bought some individual brilliant VST plugins / additional stuff for FL Studio but that's it. Amazing value and literally hundreds of audio creations. So yeah, even if I don't really use FL Studio all that much any more I can only say

for all these years of awesomeness.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:17 am

bmanic wrote: This describes FL Studio really well and it also correlates perfectly in the way it was developed. It is indeed bits and bobs bolted onto one another as they've been developed. Hence the rather chaotic nature.

I still think FL Studio is an absolutely brilliant quick sketchpad. That's what it's best for.. but as soon as the projects grow I quickly abandon it and move it all into Reaper (or Logic Audio, depending on client wishes and who/what the project is for).

Having said that, I haven't really used FL Studio actively for several years now. It's rather daunting to get back to it considering how complex it's become.

First of all I have to say a big respect and big thank you to the whole IL crew... You´ve realized lot´s of real goodies in the last years and therefore I feel bad that I want more...

I agree completely to bmanic...
my problem is, I really love this program... how it feels to work with, the PR, the looks in general, so many nice plugins inside, which interact very well with the host, so many usefull tools to help you out very quickly... I could rave about it the whole day...
But and this is a very big but: It´s like loving a married woman, which got all the attributes you desire...

I cannot work with it exclusively... and that´s what I do with a Sequencer... I cannot hop from one DAW to another when doing a song...

I am too much a "linear DAW" lover and even if there are some very nice additions to it for FLS 20... it´s way too little for me compared to in my case Reaper, which is ugly and clumsy as hell but featurewise it´s the "Jack of all Trade´s" device...

If you can think it, you can do it in Reaper...

I use FLS as a VSTi inside Reaper though and hope that one day my hopes will come true and I can marry this beauty

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:33 am

ah, ok.
do peeps really want that back?
i'm quite happy with the way it is now...
: )

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:00 pm

Image-Line wrote:
inkwarp wrote:
highkoo wrote:Nice.

Any eta on Graph Editor return?
graph editor??
Its being (re)developed as we speak. So, FL Studio 20, assuming nothing major happens in between now and then.

Regards Scott

Don't forget to bring back the 'shift' step feature in the graph editor ( for user defined shuffle )

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:59 pm

youtube suggestion just share it

the good old event editor

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:20 am

xbitz wrote:youtube suggestion just share it

the good old event editor

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:01 am

xbitz wrote:youtube suggestion just share it

the good old event editor

Oh my god

good times

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:03 am

Image-Line wrote:

Its real! It exists!

Thanks bmanic, that is about exactly how I feel.
It is more of a core part of FL for me than I even realized until after it was gone.

inkwarp wrote:
do peeps really want that back?

Man I still use the last FL v11 update.
I had a few problems with v12 initially, and I got over all of them except this.

inkwarp wrote:
i'm quite happy with the way it is now...

There is nothing inherently wrong with the way it is now. If you learned on v12, that makes total sense. It does everything you could possibly need.
No doubt muscle memory is one of the various factors, but building a drum loop that has multiple parts in one pattern using the graph editors is just easier than using the piano roll.
Scott might have a handy video showing how I am wrong tho.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:18 am

highkoo wrote: There is nothing inherently wrong with the way it is now. If you learned on v12, that makes total sense. It does everything you could possibly need.
No doubt muscle memory is one of the various factors, but building a drum loop that has multiple parts in one pattern using the graph editors is just easier than using the piano roll.

Yes, I agree with all of this.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:18 am

Halonmusic wrote:
xbitz wrote:youtube suggestion just share it

the good old event editor
Oh my god good times

A real blast from the past!

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:32 am

I personally prefer shifting notes in piano roll than doing in graph editor because I can select multiple notes and make changes at once.

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:41 am

i am a long time user. and i do understand why this feature is missed. i personally don't miss it. i just find the latest way perfectly ok for my workflow. i much prefer having all my editing and such in one 'place'. If imageline are bringing this back then i guess they must have enough users desiring it. i am fine with how it is but you can't beat the consensus.

kaspy003 · Post by **kaspy003** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:16 pm

Yeh, but most important question: what about cpu optimization?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:40 am

kaspy003 wrote:Yeh, but most important question: what about cpu optimization?

We have made some huge changes to how Patcher works in 12.5.1 [165] are you using it?

Regards Scott

FL Studio 12.9 Beta 2.