Can the Big 4 sequencers become 5 to 7?

[quincy]

Are you suggesting that Tracktion is betterr than the others on the list?

Or are you just trying to be funny? I'll take it that you're trying to be funny and just leave it at that.

I'm asking why anyone gives a flying f**k who uses what?

And most software is neither better or worse than any other IMO, just diferent.

If anyone thinks that using a particular bit of software will suddenly make them a great producer, then they're an idiot. (not suggesting you do mate, but many here seem to)

[visa tapani]

This has to be the mosy absurd thread that I've ever seen

You haven't been hanging at internet forums a lot then?

Okay, I admit, not K-v-R, but for example:
http://www.planet-mu.com/phorum/read.ph ... 765&t=6649
http://www.planet-mu.com/phorum/read.ph ... 767&t=2767

[Igor 4000]

Cubase
Logic
ProTools
Digital Performer
Sonar
Reason


These are the names that I've seen most often when reading about various artists in all kinds of genres. So it's more like the Big 6. It's debateable whether or not these are the best, but they are perceived as being the most "pro" of sequencers by the "pro" community.

[meister eder]

I hope nobody at Ableton sees this poll, so that they don't feel the pressure to overload Live with features.

[Col.G]

This is a poopy poll.
I just felt like cursing too.

[headquest]

I've never heard the phrase "Big 4". I only remember hearing the phrase "Big 3", refering to Logic, Cubase and Sonar.

The reasons that they are the "Big 3" is not that they are the best (doh! ) but because:

1. they are long established,
2. have enormous user base,
3. are largely responsible for the development of the software sequencer paradigm as we know it,
4. bridge the divide between professional and home users, and
5. are "flagship" products for EMagic, Steinberg and Cakewalk, who are the 3 biggest producers overall (counting their other products and developments)

Personally I ditched all three in favour of Tracktion...but to class Tracktion as one of the "Big 4" is frankly perverse on just about every count!

Using the criteria above, Acid and Reason probably have a valid claim, as they are flagship products from big influential producers, which have bridged the pro/home user gap. And Live 4 is clearly the big one to watch

Audition is superb, but not a sequencer, as Bones has pointed out. Great product though, especially v.1.5 with ReWire and VST support .

I'm amazed you didn;t include Digital Performer - I thought that was a "big hitter", and MOTU are certainly "up there"...

As for Tracktion - which as I say I personally love - well, if and when T2 comes out we'll see what kind of impact it has.

In the meantime, I think we can say that there are the "Big 3":
Logic / Cubase / Sonar (in no particular order)

followed by: Acid & Reason

and biting at their heels: Live 4...

with products such as Samplitude, Pro Tools, Nuendo, SAW Studio and Audition aimed at a more Pro market...

and Tracktion battling it out with eXT and Podium for the award of "best newcomer"...

[TVD]

...where's audacity..?

I went with Podium, more because I like it than anything else.

wrt to NTrack, its not intended to be in the running for 'top 5' or whatever. The dev knows his market and users, and is quite happy with it. I use NTrack ~50% and Podium the other ~50% the last ~% is audacity for wave editting.

But, aside from all this, can we still be friends? I mean it's not as if a skilled carpenter with a old saw can't make as nice a chair as a poor carpenter with a BlackNDecka..

...

DSP

Yes, we're still cool. I can't believe that I forgot about audacity as well. It's free!!! And the editing power is just as good as Audition or Pro-Tools.

[TVD]

Tony, Why do you need this "serious" research? No really what do you hope to acomplish? Define "Big" and who cares what app makes the big 5? Everyone should use what works best for them. So far all your research has proven is that it's easy to start a flame war over Host/Sequencers. Anyone who has been a member of KVR for even a short while could have told you that without a poll. If you're looking for advice on which app would be best for your needs you should present the question in that form or better yet try the demos and see what works best for you. I'm sorry I really just don't get the point of this poll.

1)Computer Music may/may not have made a mistake in their reporting.

2) I trying to understand the software of the future of music production (so far, it looks like Live or soft studios in general).

3) Does anyone ever understands what they're reading since page 1???

1)If you can prove they made a mistake address the issue with CM magazine.

2)If you want to understand the software of the future wouldn't it be better to try them yourself.Don't most have demos?

3) No I don't understand because you're not making any sense.What's the difference between Cubase SX and "Soft Studios"? Who cares what are the "Big 5" It's all SUBJECTIVE. I still see no point to this poll.

1) CM Beginner's Special...April 2004...page 010-011

2) Yes, demos with limits

3) Same respond as 1) Now I'm making a dollar out of 15 cents.

[TVD]

Just wait for Jo's return, with Muzys 4

(in a shiny armour, riding a white horse)

That's 3 fatal low blows in this thread so far.
But please be nice.

[TVD]

FLstudio will never be on the big list, cause its very focused, and rocks , and is cheap

That's bollocks! FL and ORION probably have at least as big a feature-set as traditional sequencers and these days the overlap is about 90% or better. If FLstudio has a focus its on obscure workflow.

And Orion's workflow is crude and it's still the most unstable app I own. See Tony this is all your poll will acomplish. People will argue to their dying breath in defense of their favorite Host /Sequencer and no one will change anybody's mind. It's just pointless. Use what works for you and let other's use what works for them and leave it at that.

Come on Tek, BONES will never need mine or anyones help in provoking controversy. Beside, he love Orion as much as I love FL Studio. And BONES' killer synths works perfectly in both of our respected soft studios.

As for myself, I want to know everyone's opinions.
I trust the KVR more for information than the mainstream all together.

No Bones needs no help in voicing his opinion but you've simply given him and everyone else the chance to continue this pointless discussion about Host/Sequencers. If you want other's opinions fair enough but in the end the only opinion that matters is your own.

I disagree with "pointless". I have 120 votes (and counting). That alone is A Important Point.

But deep down, I know what you're saying. We need to respect each others opinions a lot better than this.

[TVD]

I use cubase sx 2.2 and without being Bias from the reviews im reading it looks like "Ableton live 4" is going to be setting the standards in the future

That the REAL point of this poll all along. And some people wanted to take this important research as a joke.

Thank you for taking this serious.

[TheWall]

I disagree with "pointless". I have 120 votes (and counting). That alone is A Important Point.

You know, you've also managed to get the most posts pointing out 'it's a pointless/poopy thread' I've ever seen in the KvR history...


I'm outta here...

[Robert Randolph]

I disagree with "pointless". I have 120 votes (and counting). That alone is A Important Point.

from 30,000 members. That's 0.4% turnout.

great point

[TVD]

Second of all (seriously), the only dumb questions that exist around here are the ones that never get ask to begin with.

No, your poll was seriously clueless as well.

If you were reading most of the pages of this thread to start with, you would have seen me saying:
Computer Music mess up on their information before I did.

LOL, what a f**king excuse is this? Just too funny...

you need to understand that this is serious research for me. I need to know if CM were right for calling Tracktion a member of "The Big 4" or not.

Your logic is hilariously twisted. So you "research" whether "CM were right for calling Tracktion a member of "The Big 4" or not" by putting Tracktion in the big 4 and seeing what kind of controversy follows? I hope you have realized that the majority of those who think this poll is ridiculously poorly tailored - that is, most likely the majority of those reading this thread - are not going to answer the poll? Furthermore, those who answer are most likely rather bewildered as to what you're actually asking, and they are probably answering from a standpoint like "yes, Live rules, Im using it myself, I'll just give it a vote here". If so, they aren't even really answering the question. Consequently, none of the results you are getting are worth shit.

I mean, what does it mean to be a part of the big 4? Having a large user base, being an industrial standard of sorts, being a good app? You don't seem to have a clue yourself. And if you needed this poll to become aware that Live is a very much worthy app then, by all means, but I seriously doubt it will be regarded as part of the Big 4 or 5 in a long time (after all, its starting point is live performance).

3) Does anyone ever understands what they're reading since page 1???

You sure don't, that's for sure. I hope you are not regarding the fact that some people bothered to click 'vote' as evidence that this poll is after all serious reseach and that the results bear any significance. Please. I wholeheartily agree with what Jens posted, yes.

Yes, that a real freaking excuse. So please watch your freaking lauguage you freaking sailor.

(I'm just messing with you visa )

If you don't believe me, check out CM Beginner's Special....April 2004....pages 10-11.

And judging by the poll, Live should be up there in the new big 5 (or 6) with Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Tracktion, & Pro-Tools.

[TVD]

Come on guys, it's just a poll, OK?

If it bothers you don't read it.

This thread might have been at least entertaining if it didn't consist of 20 "this thread is stupid" posts.

It might even have been informative as different people would prefer different sequencers for different reasons.

That's right brother!