Viper｜1.2.2 update with bugfixes and new skin

[Stefken]

If i were project manager I would either hire another programmer or send the programmer to 'school' to learn a more suitable framework. Or let him do pair programming with a programmer that knows that framework so he can learn it at the workplace.

No disrespect intended, but this is breathtakingly clueless. Are you sure you're not a project manager

hehehe... I thought the same.

I guess you're a selfmade lone wolf programmer that doesn't understand how a company works.

[MyCo]

If i were project manager I would either hire another programmer or send the programmer to 'school' to learn a more suitable framework. Or let him do pair programming with a programmer that knows that framework so he can learn it at the workplace.

No disrespect intended, but this is breathtakingly clueless. Are you sure you're not a project manager

hehehe... I thought the same.

I guess you're a selfmade lone wolf programmer that doesn't understand how a company works.

Nope, I'm part of team and have to deal with 4PMs on a daily basis, and your text reads like from one of them: Throw money at the problem and it might go away.

[Stefken]

If i were project manager I would either hire another programmer or send the programmer to 'school' to learn a more suitable framework. Or let him do pair programming with a programmer that knows that framework so he can learn it at the workplace.

No disrespect intended, but this is breathtakingly clueless. Are you sure you're not a project manager

hehehe... I thought the same.

I guess you're a selfmade lone wolf programmer that doesn't understand how a company works.

Nope, I'm part of team and have to deal with 4PMs on a daily basis, and your text reads like from one of them: Throw money at the problem and it might go away.

If I talk like them, then I guess i' m not so bad after all.

[wagtunes]

Again, you're making the huge assumption that the 64 bit market is minuscule

No I didn't! Again: I said those who complain here in this forum and say they won't buy it are very small part. And even when a 64bit version would be available I don't want to have to do support work for those who complain beforehand in a public forum. They cause just too much trouble!

The fact that those who complain here are a small percentage (that is true of any forum and for any product) is immaterial as far as making a business decision whether or not to support a 64 bit platform, especially since that percentage is so small.

Again, if Adam has a full time job and he's just doing this for fun, he absolutely made the right decision. But if he expects that he's going to maximize his profits with a 32 bit only plugin, that isn't happening.

I think that's something we can both agree on.

[Distorted Horizon]

As much as I love to see you people arguing over stuff that doesn't really concern you after all, I have to add that I pretty much see this synth becoming almost essential for psytrance. Snappy, stable bass.. Nasty leads, big pads and damn that arp is fun to play.

Go ahead, waste your time here bringing your opinions up but that doesn't change the fact that I'm having hell of a lot of fun with Viper

[wagtunes]

As much as I love to see you people arguing over stuff that doesn't really concern you after all, I have to add that I pretty much see this synth becoming almost essential for psytrance. Snappy, stable bass.. Nasty leads, big pads and damn that arp is fun to play.

Go ahead, waste your time here bringing your opinions up but that doesn't change the fact that I'm having hell of a lot of fun with Viper

I'm actually happy for the users who can make use of this. I agree. I think for those who can make it work that it's going to be, as you said, essential for psytrance.

As for the rest of us, we'll just have to make do with what's already out there.

[AnX]

Again, if Adam has a full time job and he's just doing this for fun, he absolutely made the right decision.

No job....

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0#p6980970

[wagtunes]

Again, if Adam has a full time job and he's just doing this for fun, he absolutely made the right decision.

No job....

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0#p6980970

I read it and I feel for him. He's in a no win situation. He has no job so he needs the money yesterday. Which means he had to do this as far as possible and with the tools available. In turn, not making a 64 bit version is substantially going to cut into the income that he so desperately needs.

I'm not sure what I would have done had I been in his shoes.

I hope for his sake that 32 bit only will give him the income that he needs.

That's really all there is to say at this point.

[murnau]

Well, it's a pretty substandard way of demoing a synth. I don't get to work with the controls, hear what it sounds like, see if I even enjoy the workflow.

And again, at over $100 US currency, there are plenty of 64 bit options that I don't really need to concern myself with the app for the time being. I'm patient enough to wait for a 64 bit release. And if it doesn't happen, well, it's not like I don't already have over 100 VSTs.

I'll survive.

In all honesty, I feel badly for the dev. I think his sales are going to suffer a lot. And, as somebody else pointed out, it's a catch 22. With weak sales figures, there's really no incentive to make a 64 bit version. At least I know I wouldn't. And yet, the weak sales figures will be a direct result of not having a 64 bit version.

It's kind of ironic when you look at it like that.

But like I said, I'm patient and I'll survive without it.

Now you mix up two different things. My "solution" was about your problem to check if it's bridge properly (btw. didn't you said you use jbridge but it comes over that you use the cubase internal bridge?) and of course it's not meant as a way to demo the synth.

If you have a problem with the demo restriction then please say so as i can't look inside your head.

[Elektronisch]

Im pretty sure this synth sales will be good if not better then most recent synths simply because of the market he is in.

This synth is not for KVR people but for music producers who make edm, big room, trance, hardstyle, hardcore ect. So your complains and lost revenue is like max 10%.

I follow those communities and between producers of those genres Virus is a holy grail and seeing how much hype this synth has i can guarantee this synth might end up a same classic as sylenth.

So you can complain with 100 and more synths with 64 bit no one cares about that because in the end you wount end up being a target audience for this synth

[wagtunes]

Well, it's a pretty substandard way of demoing a synth. I don't get to work with the controls, hear what it sounds like, see if I even enjoy the workflow.

And again, at over $100 US currency, there are plenty of 64 bit options that I don't really need to concern myself with the app for the time being. I'm patient enough to wait for a 64 bit release. And if it doesn't happen, well, it's not like I don't already have over 100 VSTs.

I'll survive.

In all honesty, I feel badly for the dev. I think his sales are going to suffer a lot. And, as somebody else pointed out, it's a catch 22. With weak sales figures, there's really no incentive to make a 64 bit version. At least I know I wouldn't. And yet, the weak sales figures will be a direct result of not having a 64 bit version.

It's kind of ironic when you look at it like that.

But like I said, I'm patient and I'll survive without it.

Now you mix up two different things. My "solution" was about your problem to check if it's bridge properly (btw. didn't you said you use jbridge but it comes over that you use the cubase internal bridge?) and of course it's not meant as a way to demo the synth.

If you have a problem with the demo restriction then please say so as i can't look inside your head.

Yes, I use JBridge. No, I don't depend on the Cubase internal bridge as it's crap. Probably why they removed it from Cubase 9 (I am still on 7).

Yes, I have a problem with the demo restriction as I find it annoying to work with. And letting it run in a loop under JBridge, just to see if it "works" doesn't give me the chance to actually work with the controls and see if I enjoy the work flow.

I hope the above is a more clear response.

[wagtunes]

Im pretty sure this synth sales will be good if not better then most recent synths simply because of the market he is in.

This synth is not for KVR people but for music producers who make edm, big room, trance, hardstyle, hardcore ect. So your complains and lost revenue is like max 10%.

I follow those communities and between producers of those genres Virus is a holy grail and seeing how much hype this synth has i can guarantee this synth might end up a same classic as sylenth.

So you can complain with 100 and more synths with 64 bit no one cares about that because in the end you wount end up being a target audience for this synth

Actually, I am a target audience for any synth that comes out, especially if it's one that has a large target demographic musically.

My business makes it mandatory that I get synths that are that popular.

[BlitBit]

In all honesty, I feel badly for the dev. I think his sales are going to suffer a lot. And, as somebody else pointed out, it's a catch 22. With weak sales figures, there's really no incentive to make a 64 bit version. At least I know I wouldn't. And yet, the weak sales figures will be a direct result of not having a 64 bit version.

Interestingly, due to his choice to implement his synths with Flowstone this catch 22 does not exist. I assume that all he will have to do is a simple recompile with the 64 bit Flowstone (and do some testing of course). If it really works like this then he will be able to enter the 64 bit market without much of a hassle. IIRC he has already posted screenshots of an experimental 64 bit build on his Facebook page.

One downside of that approach obviously is that his business is now somewhat dependent on the progress of the 64 bit version of Flowstone. He will also likely inherit some of the first bugs of the 64 bit Flowstone version.

Also notice that once Flowstone goes 64 bit he will have JP6K and Viper available which I can imagine will be very sought after. So all in all I do not feel bad for the developer at all. Judging by his products (and his paper on the supersaw of the JP-8000) it seems that he is a very passionate guy that just released another labor of love that might soon be unleashed on a wider audience.

I wish him all the best.

[wagtunes]

In all honesty, I feel badly for the dev. I think his sales are going to suffer a lot. And, as somebody else pointed out, it's a catch 22. With weak sales figures, there's really no incentive to make a 64 bit version. At least I know I wouldn't. And yet, the weak sales figures will be a direct result of not having a 64 bit version.

Interestingly, due to his choice to implement his synths with Flowstone this catch 22 does not exist. I assume that all he will have to do is a simple recompile with the 64 bit Flowstone (and do some testing of course). If it really works like this then he will be able to enter the 64 bit market without much of a hassle. IIRC he has already posted screenshots of an experimental 64 bit build on his Facebook page.

One downside of that approach obviously is that his business is now somewhat dependent on the progress of the 64 bit version of Flowstone. He will also likely inherit some of the first bugs of the 64 bit Flowstone version.

Also notice that once Flowstone goes 64 bit he will have JP6K and Viper available which I can imagine will be very sought after. So all in all I do not feel bad for the developer at all. Judging by his products (and his paper on the supersaw of the JP-8000) it seems that he is a very passionate guy that just released another labor of love that might soon be unleashed on a wider audience.

I wish him all the best.

I hope you're right. This would be a terrific success story.

I too wish him the best.

[Elektronisch]

Im pretty sure this synth sales will be good if not better then most recent synths simply because of the market he is in.

This synth is not for KVR people but for music producers who make edm, big room, trance, hardstyle, hardcore ect. So your complains and lost revenue is like max 10%.

I follow those communities and between producers of those genres Virus is a holy grail and seeing how much hype this synth has i can guarantee this synth might end up a same classic as sylenth.

So you can complain with 100 and more synths with 64 bit no one cares about that because in the end you wount end up being a target audience for this synth

Actually, I am a target audience for any synth that comes out, especially if it's one that has a large target demographic musically.

My business makes it mandatory that I get synths that are that popular.

Not really because no one cares about your soundbanks in a popular electronic dance music genres because thats not your target audience

You are not Hardwell, not Armin Van Buuren, not Headhunterz ect ect no one is looking up to you. And alot of big popular names in electronic music do use Virus and theyr followers are just looking up to them and especialy the producers are looking what are they using. do you understand where im trying to say?