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The biggest thing I want to do is preserve the melody the user has entered then the chord track or key changes, but it's tricky. If the user just toggles the existing notes on / off it shouldn't be too hard, but if they start adding notes, merging notes, moving notes etc, figuring out how to apply the new chord track to that can get tricky.

Random melody is another new feature.
Two very important points, I can imagine that following the chord track or key changes with the melody will be very complicated cause connected with lots of other things.

But these two points would be very high on my list too. I will look and think about some more concrete things, but would be great if theses two points could be integrated into w 9 on some point, even if not totally completed, as a starting point like the midi pattern generator was with first w 8 version and then has been develloped a lot with the updates.

As a great but of course very complex and complete composition tool/example I would like to mention the idea tool in Rapid composer. It just combines the different parts waveform already has in the midi pattern generator (chord progression/chord track, chord, arp, bassline, melody) in one integrated tool with different algorhythms/patterns/options to choose and brings them together in one button to click and generate complete songparts. Something like a "lite/easy" version of this would be great in the end (that of course could not mean w 9 but as a target). But I think it is important (if it sounds like a good idea to you) to have that already in mind while choosing algorhythms/develloping the random melody generator which I really would love to see in w 9 already, even if it is only a rudimentary version (would be glad to test something out in this way if it could help like I did for w 8, just sent me a pm).

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Just a heads up we've now pushed v9.0.22 to the downloads area:
9.0.22
- Fixed sending MIDI clock
- Stacks: Increased blur for plugin image and made it appear the whole height of the plugin
- Racks: Improved Rack editor including plugin images and icons
- Installers: Fixed installer icons for Windows and Linux
- Help: Made the help shortcut show the user guide
- Sampler: Allow sound layers to be dragged to scratch pad
- Sampler: Added right click options to sound layers
- Sampler: Added properties toolbar for zones. Improved zone editing UI.
- Sampler: Added multiple outputs
- Maintenance: Added a button to show the log file
- Modifiers: Added more rate types

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TSC wrote:Regarding FX in the sampler - why do you need FX integrated in the sampler when you can add the FX downstream from discreet sampler outputs? This allows you to use any plugin effect you like - integrating FX seems redundant no?
Yeah, FXs after sampler outputs are fine for me!
Internal fxs has advantage though - everything exists inside sampler so you can distribute good sounding instruments with internal fxs easily and not relying on vst or old but native tracktion plugins...

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fwsuperhero wrote:
TSC wrote:Regarding FX in the sampler - why do you need FX integrated in the sampler when you can add the FX downstream from discreet sampler outputs? This allows you to use any plugin effect you like - integrating FX seems redundant no?
Yeah, FXs after sampler outputs are fine for me!
Internal fxs has advantage though - everything exists inside sampler so you can distribute good sounding instruments with internal fxs easily and not relying on vst or old but native tracktion plugins...
Why not make the sampler like a rack - have effect slots built in that fx can be dragged into to make them internal?

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FigBug wrote:
tatanka wrote:FigBug: any developments in the midi pattern generator from w8 to w9 (apart from the chord track) I might have overseen (have asked in a comment in this topic before with some proposals) or at least anything planned for final version of w9 ?

There has been lots of things discussed/requested so I am a little disappointed if there will be no devellopment in this really important (and outstanding :tu: ) part of waveform.
We have some ideas but unfortunately we are running out of time. I can add the prev/next arrows for you fairly quickly. If you have any other quick ideas I'll try and sneak them in as well.

The biggest thing I want to do is preserve the melody the user has entered then the chord track or key changes, but it's tricky. If the user just toggles the existing notes on / off it shouldn't be too hard, but if they start adding notes, merging notes, moving notes etc, figuring out how to apply the new chord track to that can get tricky.

Random melody is another new feature.

If you can expand on how you'd like some of your ideas to work that would be good, like random rests.
I am missing simple thing (in basic midi editor maybe?), track where background of the keys is based on the scale. I can go outside of the scale if i want and i see it. And there would be magic button "transpose pattern" or "transpose selection" and the only thing it will do is takes the notes outside of these coloured keys and move them to right keys with the same logic like the midi fxs in ableton or bitwig have.

There are things i like in current melody pattern editor - it can follow chords, you can paint a random melody fast etc. but i dont like it for further editing to be honest. It is kinda limiting.


BTW. identify key in the midi clip menu still doesnt work. Select any key, scale, generate any sequence and then identify key. It wont guess right ;).
it would be nice to have it right, then i can create some melody, guess the key, set the chord track according to it and generate the rest...
Last edited by fwsuperhero on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:47 am, edited 2 times in total.

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aMUSEd wrote:
fwsuperhero wrote:
TSC wrote:Regarding FX in the sampler - why do you need FX integrated in the sampler when you can add the FX downstream from discreet sampler outputs? This allows you to use any plugin effect you like - integrating FX seems redundant no?
Yeah, FXs after sampler outputs are fine for me!
Internal fxs has advantage though - everything exists inside sampler so you can distribute good sounding instruments with internal fxs easily and not relying on vst or old but native tracktion plugins...
Why not make the sampler like a rack - have effect slots built in that fx can be dragged into to make them internal?
Problems with missing vsts ]

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dRowAudio wrote:Just a heads up we've now pushed v9.0.22 to the downloads area:
9.0.22
- Fixed sending MIDI clock
- Stacks: Increased blur for plugin image and made it appear the whole height of the plugin
- Racks: Improved Rack editor including plugin images and icons
- Installers: Fixed installer icons for Windows and Linux
- Help: Made the help shortcut show the user guide
- Sampler: Allow sound layers to be dragged to scratch pad
- Sampler: Added right click options to sound layers
- Sampler: Added properties toolbar for zones. Improved zone editing UI.
- Sampler: Added multiple outputs
- Maintenance: Added a button to show the log file
- Modifiers: Added more rate types
Great update so far! what about adding posibility to modulare loop start and end points in multi sampler? :pray:

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BTW. identify key in the midi clip menu still doesnt work. Select any key, scale, generate any sequence and then identify key. It wont guess right ;).
it would be nice to have it right, then i can create some melody, guess the key, set the chord track according to it and generate the rest...
:tu:

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fwsuperhero wrote: BTW. identify key in the midi clip menu still doesnt work. Select any key, scale, generate any sequence and then identify key. It wont guess right ;).
it would be nice to have it right, then i can create some melody, guess the key, set the chord track according to it and generate the rest...
:dog: I don't think anybody mentioned this before or I missed it... oops... will be fixed in next beta.

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The latest beta has fixed something, my machine can now record.

Previously ,in the last beta it crashed when I pressed record. :tu:

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FigBug wrote:
fwsuperhero wrote: BTW. identify key in the midi clip menu still doesnt work. Select any key, scale, generate any sequence and then identify key. It wont guess right ;).
it would be nice to have it right, then i can create some melody, guess the key, set the chord track according to it and generate the rest...
:dog: I don't think anybody mentioned this before or I missed it... oops... will be fixed in next beta.
I did but it is about one year ago. Great, thx ]

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fwsuperhero wrote:
FigBug wrote:
fwsuperhero wrote: BTW. identify key in the midi clip menu still doesnt work. Select any key, scale, generate any sequence and then identify key. It wont guess right ;).
it would be nice to have it right, then i can create some melody, guess the key, set the chord track according to it and generate the rest...
:dog: I don't think anybody mentioned this before or I missed it... oops... will be fixed in next beta.
I did but it is about one year ago. Great, thx ]
One year ago?? Then it should be fixed on 8 too, no?

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FigBug wrote: ... I can add the prev/next arrows for you fairly quickly. If you have any other quick ideas I'll try and sneak them in ...
those prev/next arrows are missing for presets of effects also. i would love to see them with:
- preset switching (effects and instruments)
- pattern generator presets (like requested by tatanka)

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another request for simplicity:

at the moment key and tempo settings are in two different places.
they could easily be merged into one properties panel, as there are not that much paramers for each.
when i define the basic things for a project, tempo and key are the same "theme".
would avoid some hovering amd clicks and make things more elegant and concise!

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FigBug wrote:
tatanka wrote:FigBug: any developments in the midi pattern generator from w8 to w9 (apart from the chord track) I might have overseen (have asked in a comment in this topic before with some proposals) or at least anything planned for final version of w9 ?

There has been lots of things discussed/requested so I am a little disappointed if there will be no devellopment in this really important (and outstanding :tu: ) part of waveform.
We have some ideas but unfortunately we are running out of time. I can add the prev/next arrows for you fairly quickly. If you have any other quick ideas I'll try and sneak them in as well.

The biggest thing I want to do is preserve the melody the user has entered then the chord track or key changes, but it's tricky. If the user just toggles the existing notes on / off it shouldn't be too hard, but if they start adding notes, merging notes, moving notes etc, figuring out how to apply the new chord track to that can get tricky.

Random melody is another new feature.

If you can expand on how you'd like some of your ideas to work that would be good, like random rests.
Hi, ive found another bad thing.
You have some chord track and melody. When you change the octave of the melody or you just press the auto-button all your work is lost and you have to press undo. I think that this isnt how this should work, changing octave with the melody doesnt work. thanks

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