Can the Big 4 sequencers become 5 to 7?

[TVD]

FLstudio will never be on the big list, cause its very focused, and rocks , and is cheap

That's bollocks! FL and ORION probably have at least as big a feature-set as traditional sequencers and these days the overlap is about 90% or better. If FLstudio has a focus its on obscure workflow.

And Orion's workflow is crude and it's still the most unstable app I own. See Tony this is all your poll will acomplish. People will argue to their dying breath in defense of their favorite Host /Sequencer and no one will change anybody's mind. It's just pointless. Use what works for you and let other's use what works for them and leave it at that.

orion??? what the heck is orion anyway.. I vaguely remember seeing it like 2 years ago on some maganize page... wasnt it "orion platinum" ?

whats so good about that one?

link? demo?


indeed, by the way, i own FLstudio and use it as my primary sequencing app. The reason i mentioned it as never being an uber app, at least not now, is because it doesnt have full blown audio recording features, and imo, it doesnt need them, but of course ,
the "big-four" is dictated my morons who are either old-school freaks, or people that are getting buttkissed from the software companies.

if i had it my way,

(first of all actually, there would be no bloody list)

but anyway, its the stuff that is like Tracktion, Live, FLstudio and EXT represent that are the true foward leanings of creativity and modern ideas (not to mention a few others)

and even though im not too familiar with them all, i think they push the envelope, and i like that.

I think Cubase SX, Logic, and samplitude are awesome hosts, but the over-rated-ness annoys me, in the case of cubase, logic and especially pro tools. I definetly gravitate more towards samplitude when it comes to recording, as it has features such as: object editing (which i use constantly), freeze (which i use quite often), and a few other things..

anyway

ahem..


"THIS THREAD SUCKS"

Now that's fair. Thank you for being honest.

And hell no, this thread doesn't suck. it's funky!!!

[TVD]

This thread might have been at least entertaining if it didn't consist of 20 "this thread is stupid" posts.

It might even have been informative as different people would prefer different sequencers for different reasons.

No way in hell this thread could have became informative. Neither was it / could it have become entertaining. This was very obvious from the beginning. Furthermore, the thread contains almost no "this thread is stupid" -remarks, but many points about why this poll is poorly laid out. These points were quite relevant, moreso as the author stubbornly insisted that he's doing credible research here.

I think its interesting though that people think live not to be to serious cause it started out as a live application

Who ever said Live is not a serious application? Let me clarify: no one. You people are blatantly misreading this thread. Being a part of the Big 4 or 5 or whatever has nothing to do with the worth or "seriousness" of the application.

but anyway, its the stuff that is like Tracktion, Live, FLstudio and EXT represent that are the true foward leanings of creativity and modern ideas (not to mention a few others)

and even though im not too familiar with them all, i think they push the envelope, and i like that.

Might be, but imo being in the Big X is in no way dictated by the creativity or freshness of the application (or even value, for that matter). I mentioned a while back that the person who made the poll hasn't clearly thought out what does it actually mean for a host to be a part of Big 4 or whatever. CM seemed to think that Big 4 = the 4 applications with the biggest user bases. I disagree with this.

IMO being a part of the Big 4 or X means that the application has a well established position in the pro industry. Plugins are tailored for it, engineers, producers and studios use it etc. This alone renders Tracktion out of Big anything - a lot of people working in the industry aren't even aware of its existence.

Anyway, there are numerous ways of framing the defining criteria that make a host part of Big something. One of the reasons why this poll was so clueless was imo that this issue was obviously not considered at all.

Oh come on!!! 121 voters can't be all wrong.

[TVD]

Hey,

Someone mentioned that they expected me to comment on this. So here i am.

Pointless thread. Who cares? Is it suppoed to make you feel better if you use one of the "big 4" or something?!

"Ooh, i use reason and it means i'm great becuase the prodigy used it". "No, cubase is better because big producers use it".

Unfortunately it seems some people here use software only to try to impress strangers on a forum. Go out and get laid for f**ks sake!

Hello Dr. Quincy!!! I haven't heard from you in a while. Thank you for stopping by. I can always count on you to tell it like it is.

And by the way, your favorite software should put a smile on your face because you pay good money on what works for you.

[TVD]

Which one deos BT use

BT use Logic.

[TVD]

This has to be the mosy absurd thread that I've ever seen and probably one of the worse polls ever. I agree with RR's original post on the subject.

Pro Tools, Samplitude and Cool Edit have far more users than Tracktion. I understand that there is a cult following behind it, but let's get serious, do you honestly think that Traction has a bigger market share than Pro Tools?

I'll answer that question with a question:

Will any of the softwares (especially Audition) ever have a bigger market than Pro-tools?

[TVD]

Why does anyone give a shit? Just cos something is more popular doesn't make it better. Do the pop charts not show us this?!

Well... IF there's something such as "4 big sequencers" it's got to be ProTools, Logic, Cubase and perhaps Digital Performer (which isn't even listed at all).
At least those are the ones being used on almost any major production.
Things might change, there might be a bigger user base for something such as Fruity Loops as well - but that's totally beyond the point. The whole poll is.
Also, what's that fuzz regarding "soft studios" all about? I mean, hello - ALL the listed sequencers ARE soft studios, in case you're using them as such. And many people are.

Apart from all that - what's the purpose of such a poll? Will it result in anything meaningful? No! Will it change anybody's mind when making a decision? No! Is it a poll worth any scientifical value? No!
Is it even worth wasting my time reading this thread? No!

So there... seeya in another thread.

Computer Music didn't say anytime about DP.

This was their big 5:

1) Cubase
2) Logic
3) Sonar
4) Tracktion
5) Reason

[TVD]

I've never heard the phrase "Big 4". I only remember hearing the phrase "Big 3", refering to Logic, Cubase and Sonar.

The reasons that they are the "Big 3" is not that they are the best (doh! ) but because:

1. they are long established,
2. have enormous user base,
3. are largely responsible for the development of the software sequencer paradigm as we know it,
4. bridge the divide between professional and home users, and
5. are "flagship" products for EMagic, Steinberg and Cakewalk, who are the 3 biggest producers overall (counting their other products and developments)

Personally I ditched all three in favour of Tracktion...but to class Tracktion as one of the "Big 4" is frankly perverse on just about every count!

Using the criteria above, Acid and Reason probably have a valid claim, as they are flagship products from big influential producers, which have bridged the pro/home user gap. And Live 4 is clearly the big one to watch

Audition is superb, but not a sequencer, as Bones has pointed out. Great product though, especially v.1.5 with ReWire and VST support .

I'm amazed you didn;t include Digital Performer - I thought that was a "big hitter", and MOTU are certainly "up there"...

As for Tracktion - which as I say I personally love - well, if and when T2 comes out we'll see what kind of impact it has.

In the meantime, I think we can say that there are the "Big 3":
Logic / Cubase / Sonar (in no particular order)

followed by: Acid & Reason

and biting at their heels: Live 4...

with products such as Samplitude, Pro Tools, Nuendo, SAW Studio and Audition aimed at a more Pro market...

and Tracktion battling it out with eXT and Podium for the award of "best newcomer"...

Thank you for being serious.

If the big 3 titles (Sonar, Logic, Cubase) is more a reality, then how does Pro-Tools (with a market bigger than the big 3) get put out of the picture?

That a serious question that may never get answered.

[TVD]

I disagree with "pointless". I have 120 votes (and counting). That alone is A Important Point.

from 30,000 members. That's 0.4% turnout.

great point

If Lady J can get over here in time, it'll be 0.5% turnout.

A better point.

[TVD]

Why does anyone give a shit? Just cos something is more popular doesn't make it better. Do the pop charts not show us this?!

Well... IF there's something such as "4 big sequencers" it's got to be ProTools, Logic, Cubase and perhaps Digital Performer (which isn't even listed at all).
At least those are the ones being used on almost any major production.
Things might change, there might be a bigger user base for something such as Fruity Loops as well - but that's totally beyond the point. The whole poll is.
Also, what's that fuzz regarding "soft studios" all about? I mean, hello - ALL the listed sequencers ARE soft studios, in case you're using them as such. And many people are.

Apart from all that - what's the purpose of such a poll? Will it result in anything meaningful? No! Will it change anybody's mind when making a decision? No! Is it a poll worth any scientifical value? No!
Is it even worth wasting my time reading this thread? No!

So there... seeya in another thread.

And look who's talking? You dis Sonar.

[Sascha Franck]

And look who's talking? You dis Sonar.

I don't dis anything.
Sonar is just not used that often in all those "world famous" studios producing all the hits.
Whether you or me like this or not is another thing.
But you can argue til the cows come home, Sonar hasn't exactly made it into most of the "big" production houses, period.
You can just try to prove me wrong.

I also don't care what CM is saying, along all the clueless bullshit they use to type in what they call serious reviews or whatever.

Even if I'd be the first person to welcome everything against the Mac dominance in the socalled "professional" audio business, it's just obvious that (at least as for the status quo) it's Macs that are used in most bigger studios.
Therefor any "big" sequencer has to run under OS XYZ.

In case this doesn't meet your definition of being "big", I wouldn't know what you're on about.
User base? Then FL should be mentioned. Popularity? A rather vague thing. Features? Hm.

[TVD]

And look who's talking? You dis Sonar.

I don't dis anything.
Sonar is just not used that often in all those "world famous" studios producing all the hits.
Whether you or me like this or not is another thing.
But you can argue til the cows come home, Sonar hasn't exactly made it into most of the "big" production houses, period.
You can just try to prove me wrong.

Prove you wrong? OK!!

http://www.cakewalk.com/Artist/default.asp

[Sascha Franck]

Prove you wrong? OK!!

http://www.cakewalk.com/Artist/default.asp

Hmpf... it's allways easy to come up with some promo list of the company in question.
Now, what would a real world list of Logic/PT/Cubase users look like?
100x as long? 1000x?

[quincy]

You can saywhat you like about my software choices

But....

At least i don't use the word "dis". And that i'm proud of, girlfriend

[smp]

Yes, yes, this all fine but I think you're all missing the most important question here.



Which one is the best for making tarnce?



Sorry. I'll go now.

[TVD]

Prove you wrong? OK!!

http://www.cakewalk.com/Artist/default.asp

Hmpf... it's allways easy to come up with some promo list of the company in question.
Now, what would a real world list of Logic/PT/Cubase users look like?
100x as long? 1000x?

1)At least half of Logic users are also Pro-tools users.

2)Most Cubase users stay with Cubase. The rest would leave to become new Sonar or Logic users.

3)DP users are still DP users.

OK, I think a real world list might be 100x as long. Nice questions.