Stereo field imager for proper orchestral re-panning?
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 16 posts since 20 Oct, 2016
Hello guys,
if you try to combine different orchestral libraries they are often pre-panned differently.
Sometimes it's quite hard for me to layer them exactly by ear, so I wanted to know if there is any good stereo field imager, where you could exactly see at which degree the "main sound or frequency" is panned. So if you see for example that on the first violin the main frequency is panned to -11 and the other one to -16, you know that you have to adjust either one by 5 to match them in the stereo field.
Thanks a lot
if you try to combine different orchestral libraries they are often pre-panned differently.
Sometimes it's quite hard for me to layer them exactly by ear, so I wanted to know if there is any good stereo field imager, where you could exactly see at which degree the "main sound or frequency" is panned. So if you see for example that on the first violin the main frequency is panned to -11 and the other one to -16, you know that you have to adjust either one by 5 to match them in the stereo field.
Thanks a lot
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- KVRAF
- 4718 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
There's Virtual Sound Stage:
http://www.parallax-audio.com/
On the cheap/basic/low-on features/32-bit only end there's Red Mix:
http://www.mildon.me/plugins/redmix
May also want to check out some of the new Plugin Alliance stereo manipulation plugins
http://www.parallax-audio.com/
On the cheap/basic/low-on features/32-bit only end there's Red Mix:
http://www.mildon.me/plugins/redmix
May also want to check out some of the new Plugin Alliance stereo manipulation plugins
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
You could use something like MAnaluzer to look at stereo spectrogram of your sounds overlaid on one another to get a better idea of where the dry sound is positioned. I use VSS for my main orchestra rig's panning and spatializing needs. For sounds with lots of baked in room I would suggest picking one as your reference rather than adjusting both sort of meet in the middle. At the moment I'm panning most of the live instrument stuff based off of the positioning of the "Cine" series from Cinesamples. Also it'd be worth looking up some seating charts for different orchestras. Some of the big libraries give relatively detailed info about how things were set up regarding seating and microphone positions.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 16 posts since 20 Oct, 2016
Well, I know VSS 2.0, but you still have to re-pan them to the middle if they are pre-panned from the library.
So the question is, how accurate is the auto-repan (Input Offset) that VSS 2.0 offers? If it's not really accurate, there is no ned to use is for me, because then you can also just adjust it by ear...
So the question is, how accurate is the auto-repan (Input Offset) that VSS 2.0 offers? If it's not really accurate, there is no ned to use is for me, because then you can also just adjust it by ear...
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- KVRAF
- 1679 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
MeldaProduction's free MUtility plug-in will do the panning brilliantly, but you don't have much in the way of visual feedback, only the Panorama-left and Panorama-right controls. But it will definitely do the job as well as anything for which you could spend money.
- KVRian
- 1091 posts since 13 Mar, 2008 from Arnhem, Netherlands
I'm mostly using eaReckon EAReverb 2 and sometimes the free Proximity by TDR/vladg.
I've heard good things about VSS though.
You should really ask this over at VI-Control
I've heard good things about VSS though.
You should really ask this over at VI-Control
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
You need what's called a 'power panner' where the stereo relationship you put in it is preserved.GAMJoker wrote:Hello guys,
if you try to combine different orchestral libraries they are often pre-panned differently.
Sometimes it's quite hard for me to layer them exactly by ear, so I wanted to know if there is any good stereo field imager, where you could exactly see at which degree the "main sound or frequency" is panned. So if you see for example that on the first violin the main frequency is panned to -11 and the other one to -16, you know that you have to adjust either one by 5 to match them in the stereo field.
I use VSL Vienna Suite which has one. But their VE Pro mixer has a simpler one, as does Cubase.
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- KVRian
- 1142 posts since 16 May, 2007 from At home. Good bye city ways!
Don't have anything for the metering part of the question but I really like the goodhertz panner for the panning.
https://goodhertz.co/panpot
https://goodhertz.co/panpot
..off to play with my music toys - library music production.
http://www.FiveMinuteHippo.com
http://www.FiveMinuteHippo.com
- KVRAF
- 4879 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
This pair of articles on oldschool methods may help your thinking:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... o-panorama
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... h-your-mix
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... o-panorama
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... h-your-mix
F E E D
Y O U R
F L O W
Y O U R
F L O W
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
Just use analyzer like free Melda MStereoScope to get visual feedback and use Panner. No shortcuts here. These libraries have different amount of players per section + different room which means that stereo width and reverberation of sections are different from library to library. So: panning, stereo field (narrowing, enhancing) and work with reverbs (ER mostly). Matching orchestral libraries is not easy job
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- KVRist
- 110 posts since 8 Jan, 2018
Yes just use a stereo scope and pan the audio. No need to install additional plugins, your DAW should have one built in which does the job.
But if you'd like to use 3rd party plugin then VSS and Goodhertz Panpot are easy to use and it makes fun using them.
But if you'd like to use 3rd party plugin then VSS and Goodhertz Panpot are easy to use and it makes fun using them.
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
No. As pertains to the OP, you absolutely need power panning to do anything here; ie., where the library has a stereo profile if you merely pan shit about you're looking to create significantly more trouble than you have to start with. Power Panning means the stereo imaging can be panned preserving the stereo image; otherwise you run smack into the wall of Pan Law (the further you move it the less power you have for the side which is disappearing).Sam-U wrote:Yes just use a stereo scope and pan the audio. No need to install additional plugins, your DAW should have one built in which does the job.
"your DAW should", well Cubendo has it, it is called Stereo Combined Panner. Otherwise one may need to consult one's DAW documentation to be sure.
VSL's looks like this in action.
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
One more option is Panagement. It has a free option you can try out and the full version is inexpensive.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 16 posts since 20 Oct, 2016
I actually looked into all of them and nothing was something I asked for.
If you use all these plugins, once you open them they show the meter in the center. Then you can pan them to the left or right. What I asked for is a visualizer or a parameter which tells you how much a pre-panned audio file is panned, so you can center them exactly again. So with all these plugins I can of course pan them back and forth by ear, but the whole point of this topic was the question if there is anything that >tells you the amount< of how much you pan them back.
If you use all these plugins, once you open them they show the meter in the center. Then you can pan them to the left or right. What I asked for is a visualizer or a parameter which tells you how much a pre-panned audio file is panned, so you can center them exactly again. So with all these plugins I can of course pan them back and forth by ear, but the whole point of this topic was the question if there is anything that >tells you the amount< of how much you pan them back.